My name is Mark Vissente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, The VAL. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group to societal, it's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the

fuck is on my mind.

Welcome back, everyone, to WTF is on my mind.

Today, I am in Lisbon with none other than Richard Gorennan.

We were talking the other day about a podcast episode with Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.

And there were two particular pieces that we thought would be very interesting to talk

about.

Some of you are going to get a little inflamed, a little upset, just hold on to your knickers,

remember to be curious, remember not to get too partisan, just think this through.

Harden up.

Harden up, basically.

All right, so I'm going to play this first section. Harden up. Harden up, basically. All right, so I'm going to play this first section.

Harden up, boys and girls.

Let me play this loud enough.

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