My name is Mark Vissente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, The VAL. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group to societal, it's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the

fuck is on my mind.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're back in a podcast studio in Lisbon with Richard Granon.

We're going to have a discussion about AI.

We've actually been talking offline.

Richard and I have been taking long walks in the beach together, holding hands.

No.

We have been walking on the beach.

We don't hold hands.

But we've been talking about stuff because, so I started using chat GPT for a bunch of stuff.

And then my wife, Bonnie, she at first was like, I'm not having chat GPT, do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

She was super against it.

About a month later, she started making her own GPT,

and she was, like, talking to this thing all the time.

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