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The Good Fight

Peter Pomerantsev

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2019

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk talks to Peter Pomerantsev the author of This is Not Propaganda, about the way in which the rise of digital technology is transforming our politics; how trolls and state agents are trying to spread propaganda; and how to build a more democratic internet. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Podcast production by John T. Williams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think we need regulation of the internet which radically changes the way we

0:07.1

understand how the information environment is shaped. So if something is a campaign

0:11.8

you have to be able to understand whether it's a campaign

0:14.0

and if it's pretending to be genuine when it's actually a campaign then I think there should be

0:17.6

regulations that it gets taken down.

0:20.3

And now the good fight with Yasha Monck.

0:24.0

Well, it looks as though we are now barreling towards impeachment proceedings.

0:30.0

And to be honest, I am very torn about them.

0:33.0

On the one side, it is quite clear to me that Donald Trump deserves to be impeached at this point.

0:41.0

There are many reasons for that, but to focus on that phone call with Ukraine,

0:46.6

I think that asking a foreign power to investigate your domestic political opponent comes close to the definition of abuse of power for personal or political gain.

1:01.0

It's hard to think of what kind of circumstance the founders might have had in mind

1:05.9

when they talked about high crimes and misdemeanors if it wasn't that kind of abuse of high office. At the same time I worry that many of my friends and colleagues

1:19.3

are far too optimistic, far to sanguine about how impeachment is going to play out.

1:26.0

In the case of Richard Nixon, we were dealing with a hypocrite who looked to the country

1:31.2

like he cared about good manners about the norms of the institutions of

1:35.8

this country as though he would never privately rave and rant.

1:40.3

So when the White House tapes were released, they were a big shock and moved public opinion.

1:46.0

It is hard for me to imagine what we might find out about Donald Trump in the next few months that is going to come as a surprise to anybody because all of his villainy all of his misdeeds are pretty open.

2:01.0

So most likely he will be acquitted on a party line vote in the Senate and go into the 2020 elections

2:09.4

being able to claim unfairly that he was exonerated. I'm not quite sure how that will play out politically. More broadly, I think that we need to remember the only way to beat populists in a serious way is to beat

2:26.3

them at the ballot box.

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