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The Good Fight

James Robinson

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2019

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk talks to James Robinson, co-author of Why Nations Fail and The Narrow Corridor, about the importance of political institutions; the roots of freedom and prosperity; and how citizens can beat the historical odds to improve their countries. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Podcast production by John T. Williams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There's a famous aphorism in the Hunzi, which is a third century BC philosophical tract, which is the king is a boat.

0:10.0

The people are the water. The water can hold up the boat or it can sink the boat.

0:16.0

The people can sink the king.

0:18.0

So that's a statement about participation.

0:20.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:24.0

For the last episode I did the foolhardy thing of talking about

0:28.0

Italian politics a few days before everything inevitably changed.

0:32.0

So now I'll do the foolhardy thing of talking about

0:35.0

British politics before everything inevitably changes. But forget about the

0:41.2

minutia of the fights going on at the moment important for

0:44.7

there. I think what's interesting from the perspective of populism and the fight

0:48.5

against it is to step back a little bit and understand the basic political clash that's going on at the moment as one that's

0:56.2

representative of what populist due to political systems everywhere. It is a clash between parliamentary sovereignty, between

1:05.0

religionacy of representative democratic institutions,

1:09.0

and popular sovereignty.

1:12.0

The importance of the will of the people as interpreted by its supposed spokesman.

1:19.0

So Britain for a very long time has had the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty, the idea that it is

1:25.6

parliament, the elected representatives of the people who interpret what people want and

1:30.9

try and come up with the best solutions and pass the laws.

1:37.3

Because the referendum in 2016 created two options, one of which gave a clear mandate for what would happen next,

1:46.0

namely to remain in the European Union, and another to leave, which didn't create a very clear mandate,

1:52.4

because there's all kinds of ways of leaving the European Union

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