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This is design matters with Debbie Milman from Design Obsiver.

Com. Design Matters with Debbie Milman from Design Observer.com.

For 14 years now, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative

people about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're

thinking about and working on. On this podcast Debbie Milman talks with Pete

Susa about his years as the Obama White House official photographer. I acknowledge I'm not the greatest photographer in the world,

but I think I was absolutely the best photographer for this particular situation.

Here's Debbie.

I'd like to thank two of the patrons that help make design matters

possible. Is your team designing an app from scratch, rethinking the look and feel of

your brand, maybe taking on something massive like

transforming your brand's entire customer journey, well don't do it the old way,

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