Hello everyone, welcome back to the epic gardening podcast, Kevin and Spear 2 here.

We are joined by Liz Zorab, home-steader from the UK, author of Grounded, a gardener's

journey to abundance and self-sufficiency.

Now we have been talking about some planting techniques, so of course we always have to

talk about the guys in the garden that don't want us to have a good harvest, and that

would be pests.

And I think Liz, as we've gone through the many years now, I think we're coming up

on our four-year anniversary on the podcast.

I think long-time listeners have heard my position on pests change more towards what I expect.

You'll probably be saying and sharing with us where, you know, it's sort of a dance

with them.

You're not trying to completely eradicate them.

You certainly aren't trying to have them take over the entire garden.

And I'm curious, what is your current sort of philosophy towards pests control and pest

management?

At the moment, I'm looking at, if you've got a pest issue, it's not that you've got

a pest issue, you have a predator problem in as much as you haven't attracted enough

predators for those pests into your garden.

And I know that we're really fortunate here that we don't have a lot of the pests that

you've got in America.

And we enjoy being an operative word.

We probably enjoy more slurk damage and snail damage here than you will certainly in California

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