Persuading a Divided Democracy: With Anand Giridharadas

The Michael Steele Podcast

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Politics, Government, History, News

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🗓️ 26 October 2022

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Best-selling author Anand Giridharadas joins The Michael Steele Podcast to discuss his new book, "The Persuaders: At the Front Lines of the Fight for Hearts, Minds, and Democracy." The pair discuss how you go about changing minds in today's polarized world, the tactics that do and don't work, battling the Trumpism movement and the weaknesses the Democratic Party faces in moving people toward their cause. Anand also discusses the makings of a winning pro-democracy movement and the roles we all play in this, looking at the immediate mid-terms to a wider 2024 picture.

Check out the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Persuaders-Front-Lines-Hearts-Democracy-ebook/dp/B09QPH4LTX

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0:00.0	So here's a question for you folks.
0:03.2	In our polarized society, indeed across the country, is anyone still persuadable?
0:12.3	Hmm.
0:14.3	Because the lightblood of any free society is persuasion, right?
0:18.6	Changing other people's minds in order to change things that need to be changed and to bring
0:23.5	about hopefully something a little bit better.
0:26.7	But right now in America, we're suffering a crisis of faith in persuasion.
0:33.8	I think it's putting our democracy and someone even say the planet itself at risk.
0:41.9	Well, I know certain someone who would probably say that.
0:46.2	And that is my guest today, Anan Gerard-Ottis.
0:50.4	He is a best-selling author, MSNBC political analyst.
0:56.1	And was a foreign correspondent and columnist for the New York Times for more than a decade.
1:00.7	He's the author of a new book entitled The Persuaders at the front lines of the fight for
1:08.6	hearts, minds, and democracy.
1:13.0	Anan joins us on the Michael Still podcast right after this.
1:27.1	I say welcome to the Michael Still podcast.
1:30.3	So I didn't really get into it too much in the intro, but one thing about this, brothers,
1:35.6	that he and I have had the chance to dance occasionally on MSNBC and in other venues.
1:41.0	And it's just great to settle down and have in the house for a little conversation about
1:45.9	his new book, Persuaders.
1:49.2	Excited to talk to you about this, Anan.
1:51.3	Welcome, man.
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