Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I have Dr. Sherry Kefer on the

podcast again today. I had such a good time with her last time and I'm so grateful for the work that

she does.

Welcome back, Sherry.

I have to tell you, you know how when you spend time with someone

how that time together and conversations, prompts you to change,

change your thinking, open yourself up to what's right in front of you,

and has been staring at you,

and you are one of those change agents. I'm grateful for you as an advocate and

I'm grateful for you in light of your passion and no tolerance for harm that's caused and I love that about you.

I appreciate that always you have that in the forefront.

That's what I really want to help to

communicate to those that are listening because there is so much harm and

so much abuse in what is happening. It's not okay. It's not okay yesterday, it's not okay today, and it's not okay

tomorrow. Stories of women that we've heard take our breath away because we hear

abuse that we've been tolerating. Some of us may even call that

love and it's not love. Love doesn't let abuse happen trying to figure out what we need to do in order to confront abusive

harmful behavior is what we want to offer those that are listening when I'm just grateful

that you've allowed me to be here with you today.

Thank you so much Sherry. I'm so glad that you're back. That's interesting because I feel like I'm just along for the ride.

I feel like I'm learning and growing every week and every person that I interview.

So I really appreciate you and all of your work as well. I think we're all progressing together.

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