even when you're not in your zone when you're struggling with something, but if

you're totally open and cool with that, if you accept that struggle, like if you

can show it and you can include the audience in what you're struggling against

and your own process of when I'm on stage and it's pouring rain and the wind

is whipping my hair down my throat and the sound is terrible and I'm being

electrocuted if I'm just in that thing and sharing it fully with the audience

they could get off on even that. Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me your

host Chris A's.

Alright, special treat today very very personal introduction. All right, ready for

this? I have spoken on the show before about Kate my wife, life partner, love my

life. She's amazing a million different ways. She's been on with pod twice. Kate and I

met freshman year of college and when I met Kate, she had a shaved head and she

was really kind of intimidating intellectually because she's super brilliant

and had really awesome and radical politics and was in a period of life where

she was like reading a lot of feminist theory that she was sort of sharing

with me and as one does when one is you know in love with a person and sort of

early love, particularly there's like a lot of music swapping. I was very into

like a certain kind of sort of like boutique New York mixtape hip hop that I

was constantly a foisting upon her and she was extremely into the brilliant

singer songwriter, honey, defranco and sort of introduced me to honey, defranco.

And I have these incredibly tender memories of like us listening to

honey, defranco as we were, you know, kind of falling in love. And I have been a

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