Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics,

the Talbot School of Theology Biola University.

We're here part two of our conversation that we had last time

with my friend Dr. John Townsend,

New York Times best-selling author, of 30 now make this 31

books, over 10 million copies in print, leadership expert clinical psychologist, director

of the Townsend Institute for Leadership and Counseling at Concordia University

Irvine, and Director of the Townsend Leadership Group.

The Institute of Concordia is more the academic arm and the Townsend Leadership Group is the more professional arm that deals with executives and companies around the country.

So John, thank you for agreeing to be with us on part two

as we talk about your new book coming out here soon

called People Fuel.

And again, the big idea of the book is what in one sentence we are as healthy and successful as the people we

let in our lives okay and we spent a lot of time in the in our first segment on

this talking about the the way you frame this as around a growth tree

and you find that fruit doesn't necessarily produce itself by working harder or putting more effort into things.

It's as we take in the proper relational nutrients

into our root system that we actually find

we have the growth that we need both personally and professionally.

So tell us, let's go, let's take this a little bit further.

Once we've framed this correctly around the growth tree, you've developed in the book the concept of

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