Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School of

Theology here at Biola University.

We're here today with the New York Times best-selling author Dr. John Townsend.

He's the author of more than 30 books, 10 million copies in print. He's a leadership

expert. He's a psychologist. I might also say he's my longtime friend. In fact, John, I'm sure

you remember when you were a grad student here at Rosemead School of Psychology

here at Biola and you were waiting tables at Cono's Restaurant.

You actually were the server for my wife Sally and I on our very first date.

I remember it well and it was a great night and you didn't steal anything on the table

I was so proud of you.

I was very pleased and yeah

that that evening was the beginning of a wonderful story so yeah that was that was a

great evening well we the reason we're here today, John, is coming out with a new book called People Fuel, how energy from relationships transforms life, love, and leadership.

So, John, congratulations on Book Number 31.

And this just has all kinds of great stuff in it.

It's incredibly practical.

It's it's it's it's biblically grounded. In fact I think I think of all the people who are

working today in the integration of psychology and Christian faith, I find you to be one of the most, if not the most

insightful person around who's integrating those two areas just incredibly well.

So thank you so much for coming on with us and there's just tons of good stuff here in this

book that we want to get into.

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