When you go to the Penn & Teller Theater, we tell you we're going to lie to you.

We tell you we're going to break out of that morality, and you are okay with that.

What is it about the human ego that will say, no, I'm going to override a sense that says, no, I shouldn't trust this person.

You don't get into magic because you like fooling.

You get into magic because you like being fooled. You get into magic because you like being fooled.

We're going deep here. I love it.

In all life, one of the most enjoyable experiences, is the aha.

Clown College?

Big leap there.

I'm sorry, got to run.

Pendelet, thank you very much for being on my magical show.

Thank you for having me.

Usually when I talk to someone of your accomplishment, you know, it's a bit of a life review.

I kind of like to do my own take on people's lives, but it didn't feel apropos with you for this reason. Not that you don't deserve a life review, you certainly do. But I thought, here's a rare chance to talk with a very unique person, with a very unique mind. So I would call it, like, let's call it the softball interviewer. I want to kind of throw you some softballs in. Oh, good. And we'll just go wherever we want to go. So not a lot of mathematics then. No, sir. Most easy stuff. Okay. So let's start here. James Randy. Oh, sure. He doesn't really call, what would you call me?

I know he does magic, but he's more of a rank contour.

He was, you know, he was a very good and very successful magician, and he had done some,

it's kind of a beautiful cinematic story, like Cudini, like many people,

and I mean, not at the same level, but also, also we, Penn and Teller, did some stuff like that.

He was doing things that pretend to be supernatural.

And...

Was it like a fake mysticism and then he would reveal the con or something?

No, no, no, no.

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