Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jimmy Le Jamile podcast against shame.

So this week I have the internet's boyfriend on the podcast. His name is Penn Badgeley.

You may know him from gossip girl or one of the biggest serial killer shows in the world.

You in which he plays an extremely handsome and strange and charming serial killer.

And I didn't really know a lot about Penn Badgeley.

To me he kind of felt more of a mysterious member of the kind of gossip girl crew.

And so I wasn't super familiar with him until obviously I'd see pictures of him on the internet or videos

and stuff and he would seem like a funny sweet man.

But it wasn't until I went on his podcast, podcast, which is incredibly good and incredibly relatable and fun

which they talk about the kind of ways in which your teen experiences shape you are highly recommend listening to it.

But it was when I was a guest on that that I really kind of got a chance to witness him.

And just totally adored him immediately.

He's such a sensitive kind intelligent man.

He gives women space to fucking talk and think and he just seems like he's really on a journey of constant self reflection, self improvement and just a better understanding of the world.

And so I asked him to come on this podcast because I think he's fascinating and I think he's gone through a lot of fascinating things.

I mean he's had a wild career becoming so famous and being so objectified at such a young age.

And that's a lens we don't really talk about a lot because when it's happening to women we're more familiar with what that situation is and a lot of us object to it.

And yet when it's happening to men there's no real discourse around how dehumanizing that can also be for a guy, especially a young man who's going through that.

So we sort of get into that in real depth in a way that I think you'll find incredibly relatable.

And I think it's such an important subject to be able to discuss what that does to the brain.

And in this episode we discuss society's obsession with romance and the difficulty of being sexy on screen.

We discuss how his fame has affected his children's experiences.

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