Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jimmy Ligemail, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I thank you for all of your lovely messages. Your thousands of messages

so far about my episode with Greta Turnberg last week. I can't believe I had her on the podcast.

It's so exciting. I'm still pinching myself, but it was just such a phenomenal chat. Like I love

her so much. She's so smart and funny and warm and inspiring and adorable and yet intimidatingly

brilliant. She just holds all of the multitudes. She's the definition of that and I, if I thought

I loved her before, now I'm fully obsessed. I'm the leader of her fan club, I think. And it seems

like lots of you are joining me. So thanks for listening and recommending it to other people. And

if you haven't yet had a chance to listen, I highly recommend it because it's an incredible insight.

This week is another phenomenal chat because my guest is just, I'm so lucky with the guests I get to

have. They teach me so much. I have the excellent Elise Lone and on who's New York Times renowned

bestselling author. She's also worked very high up at Goop in the past and has some interesting

insights from her time, you know, working within wellness culture that I think were very important

to hear about. But basically in this episode, we are talking about her new book, The Seven Deadly Sins

and the Price Women Pay to Be Good. That's the title of the book. And it's a fascinating read that

can sicely breaks down the exact system of the ways in which we hold women to impossible standards.

And even though we might think, yeah, we kind of already know what those are. It's kind of stating

the obvious. The way she breaks it down, the specificity and the history that she brings into it

blows your fucking mind. And then once you've seen it, you cannot unsee it. I highly recommend

this book. I highly recommend following this woman. She's so smart. It's so well written.

And also a lot of what she says comes from her own personal experience. She's been through

these journeys. She's a bit like me and that she's been through massive U-turns, like work

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