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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

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Someone that has sex.

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Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

Why did the British state decide to send criminals all the way across the globe to Australia?

Was it really as grim as you might expect to be one of those transported?

And what was the impact of the convict system on Australia and its indigenous peoples?

To answer your questions on criminal transportation to Australia in today's Everything You Wanted to know episode, I spoke to Nancy Cushing, Associate Professor of History at the University of Newcastle

in Australia, and the author of A History of Crime in Australia.

So it's great to be speaking to you over in Sydney today, Nancy. Thank you for joining me.

Thanks a lot, Ellie. Great to be here. So I want to kick us off on our conversation about criminal

transportation with some real basics. Our Instagram follower, Mr. Favreau, has asked,

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