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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

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Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

How was sexuality, gender roles and attitudes to the body influenced by men's experiences in the Second World War.

That's something explored in Luke Turner's book, Men at War, and he spoke to Matt Elton

about the stories of some of the men shaped by the conflict and why he thinks that the full

range of experiences during war has been obscured by subsequent depictions of it.

Your new book, Men at War, explores the Second World War, its place in Britain's, I suppose,

psyche, its identity, and the role of men within it. I was struck reading it by the fact that there's been so much literature,

so much commentary on the Second World War,

do you think that despite that, the role of men and their bodies and their kind of part in

this conflict has been overlooked? I think it possibly has on, in the way that I wanted to

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