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This is pretty much pop, a culture podcast, wrapping up our fourth year of programming,

or as we in the biz call it season three.

And so I'm gathering now with my regular crew to Navel Gays about what an entertainment

podcast should be doing, and whether we're actually doing that.

My name is Mark Linson-Meier, not a critic.

This is all still extremely unprofessional.

This is Carolyn Brooke, and like season three of Ted Lasso, I'm only improving.

This is Laurence Weir, I'm a critic, but not a very good man.

I know people tune in to hear the latest and greatest about TV shows,

about movies, about occasionally music video games, but what about podcasts?

I had suggested that this be part of our routine, and Brian Hurt, my original co-host,

that is too Navel Gaysy.

We cannot do episodes about podcasts or about parasocial relationships with podcasts hosts.

That's been on the list for like three years, a topic that we've never hit.

But you know, we've reached the end of the fiscal year, let's say.

We're going to start a new season, I called the first season the first two years because that's

the point at which Brian and Erica jump ship.

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