This is pretty much pop, a culture podcast, taking artists at their word like a sucker.

Today we're discussing the meaning optional art form that is pop and roll lyrics.

Who are they aimed at?

How do they relate to the music?

And how do you, the listener, relate to whoever the words are actually being spoken to in their literary context?

I'm Mark Linton-Mayor just singing along with the hook, blissfully ignorant of the fascist undertones of the song.

I'm Al Baker endlessly fracking about songwriters' sacred trussistence.

And our guest, Idris herself, Dave.

My pen name is Dave Philpott and I'm the author of the ridiculous books,

Dear Mr. Kershaw after Nick, Dear Mr. Popstar and Grammithray in the UK

where we take some writers to task over their lyrical content.

Yes, tell us a little more to get us started since really this is just an excuse to talk about your project and your amusing books

that we can fill time by having you read out of them but let's at least get the overview out.

How long has this been going on for?

People will be very surprised at the fact that the artists have actually participated in this.

Just give us a little intro for the folks that haven't heard of what this is.

It's been going since 2008.

My background is I'm a professional musician, I work on the circuit doing covers and my whole life is music.

I'm obsessed with music.

But my father doesn't have any interest in music whatsoever.

So I found it very fascinating that you could actually read a lyric out to somebody that has no pre-knowledge of an artist

and where, for example, you and I would look at the stones and go,

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