You've got to get weirder to survive.

Welcome to your wrong about.

Today we are talking about Pee-Wee Herman, the man, the clown, the legend.

And we're also talking about Paul Rubens, the real man behind the character, and what it

means to be a person who lives as a character and then has to figure out how to be real.

And we are talking about the story with podcast legend herself, Jamie Loftus,

the host of 16th Minute of the Bechdel cast of My Year in Mensa,

so many other shows that you know and love,

and if you don't love them yet, you will very soon.

Jamie has also appeared on this very show in some of my favorite episodes

talking about everything from ghost hunting with Ed and Lorraine Warren to the Amityville

horror to Beanie Babies to Bonnie and Clyde. And I love getting deep into this topic with her so deep

that this is going to be a two-parter episode.

So thank you for joining us for part one.

And we cannot wait to see you again in part two.

Jamie Loftus is also the author of Raw Dog, The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs,

and it's out now in paperback.

So please check it out.

It will go perfectly with your summer travels.

And it packs up real nice.

Thank you so much for listening and for being here and for getting through it with us.

We are late with our June bonus episode for those of us who listen over on Patreon and Apple Plus

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