Peace talks – Is Trump throwing Ukraine to the wolves?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

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🗓️ 20 February 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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The free world is reeling and Putin is jubilant as Trump goes over the heads of Ukraine and Europe to “negotiate” directly with Russia – cutting Zelenskyy and European leaders out of talks in Saudi Arabia. Will the two autocrats simply carve Ukraine up between them? Will they heed Zelenskyy’s demand that there be no settlement without Ukraine’s participation? And given Russia’s record of deception, is the notion of a fair and lasting peace just a naive fantasy? Oz Katerji hears the reaction to the Riyadh talks from Kyiv with Maria Avdeeva, security expert and senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to Incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:22.0	Do you have any message for Ukrainians who after three years of fighting might feel betrayed or
1:26.5	disappointed at not having a seat
1:28.0	at these initial talks in Saudi Arabia? Well, I think I'm really disappointed in what's happened.
1:35.5	I've been watching this for three years. It's a war that would have never happened if I was president.
1:39.3	And I've been watching these, these, you know, people being killed at levels that you've rarely seen,
1:46.0	not even close, since the Second World War.
1:49.0	And I'm very disappointed. I hear that, you know, they're upset about not having a seat.
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