I think one of the most stressful things we can do as parents is take a road trip with

kids, little children.

It can be exhausting and difficult, although I must admit we trained our children by repetition to understand what a road trip is.

You just really can't relax though in so many circumstances. We have ideas though on how you can get some

peace of mind if you're traveling with younger children. I'm John Fuller

along with Dr. Danny Werther who heads up our parenting department and we're going to revisit now a conversation

with author Courtney Ellis and she talked with Focus President Jim Daly about some tips

on maintaining a healthy perspective when you travel.

Courtney, you write in the book about pilgrimage and travel and I think modern families,

we do more travel today than we used to.

We'd be at home. I think Jean's mom and dad said

they'd never really left Southern California. But today we do. And how did you incorporate

that idea of pilgrimage into family travel and how did that go?

It went up and down.

Like everything else.

Was that like a vacation time or what were you doing?

Yeah, so pilgrimage is just expecting to meet God along the journey.

And when we encounter difficulties in a journey, thinking of those as opportunities to meet with

God in a new way, to learn something, to be challenged by God, to grow.

So it can be a long trip, and we took one long trip back to visit my family in the Midwest

in this book, but also it was traveling to Los Angeles to visit

Darrell's family which is 65 miles and in California traffic that's

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