From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

We talk to each other, you know, we can show each other's scripts sometimes, and just to, you know, it's quite good to talk to somebody you respect and trust and just to see how they react to your story.

And when I told them, he said, oh, cabron, you're going to do this one.

When Oscar-winning director Pavel Pavlikovsky was thinking about making a black-and-white film

loosely based on the tumultuous marriage of his Polish parents, he ran the idea by his friend,

fellow Oscar-winner Alfonso Quaron.

Well, you see how that turned out.

Now both Palakoski and Quaron have black-and and white period films about their families in the awards race.

Pablo Likoski tells us about making his Oscar contender, Cold War, with no set script, editing on the fly and sometimes shooting scenes over and over and over.

He also shares why he moved back to Poland after many years away

and why he, unlike his friend Quaron, would not make a movie for Netflix.

But first on the news banter, Showtime has nothing to say

about serious problems on the set of its comedy Smelfth.

Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

Thank you. Smilf. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW. I am joined by my fellow elf and banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. I don't have an elf voice, unfortunately. You do have an elf outfit, however. I do. Yes. I have a little feral elf

outfit that will not come out other than on Halloween.

Okay.

Let's talk about Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson has been, I will say, spewing hate towards immigrants on his show.

He has said that they make the country dirtier.

He has doubled down as that has been criticized,

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