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From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

It's the Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

I don't know if I've had as much fun in a long time

preparing for interviews I did for today's show with my friend Paul Seater, the editor,

and the Oscar-nominated director of the terrific documentary short on behind-the-scenes of the Wild Bunch.

His series of books on Sam Packen Party's newest book, by the way,

has one of my favorite titles of any book of this decade, The Authentic Death and

and Contentious Afterlife of Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid.

First of all, Paul, it's so good to have you back.

Thank you.

And talk about where this title comes from.

It comes from Pat Garrett's the title of his own book.

Yes, that's true. It comes from, it comes from Pat Garrett's title of his own book. Well, actually, the full title is the authentic death and contentious afterlife of Pat

Garrett and Billy the Kid, the untold story of Peck and Paw's last Western film.

Well, I happen to be exceptionally fond of elusive titles.

You know, if you look in my book on Peck and Paa's Western films,

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