Welcome to the Conversations the Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. I normally am not

recording in my pickup truck, but I've been zipping around today doing a lot of errands and

it's been busy and I thought

you know it's better to get a podcast out there than not get one out there so this is just the way it worked

out. Hopefully it'll be short. We're going to talk a little bit today about an individual named Paul Maxwell.

Many of you have probably not heard of them. Some of you probably have who is apparently saying he's not a Christian.

And normally I wouldn't talk about something like is apparently saying he's not a Christian.

And normally I wouldn't talk about something like this,

but it's because of what has happened

in the last few days with him,

I sense that there's there's a bigger topic behind all that there this is not something unique to Paul Maxwell

You can think through even some of the names of other Christians who have left the faith

uh... who have been Christian leaders Josh Harris being one of them i know there's been

a number of them

uh... over the last few years uh... they call them that there's even a term for it now, ex-phangelical.

And I just want to have a little bit of a talk about that today because I think these things are also

manifesting themselves not just on that level but also in our personal lives

and you can probably think as you're even listening to me about people you know who

were you thought maybe even were strong in the faith or were very involved in your church

seemed to have somewhat of a passion and now they're not even claiming to be

Christians and you know what do you do with that so we're going to talk a little bit

about that and this won't be exhaustive or anything but it is something that I think does need to be addressed and probably more so as we move into the future I think we're there's just going to be a lot more of this

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