Welcome to the conversations that matter of podcast. My name is John Harris. It is a beautiful

spring day here in southern Virginia. Fall has a peak, but I hadn't really thought of this yet.

Spring has a peak as well.

I guess that's obvious, right?

Spring has a peak.

There's a certain time when flowers are in bloom

and everything's just, the bugs aren't you know zipping around yet

because summer hasn't really started but it's still warm so you can wear a t-shirt the

breeze is just great it's kind of dry it's clear it's not humid not humid and muggy. It's just it's amazing

I think we're just past that peak right now here the the dogwood trees and the cherry blossoms were kind of at full peak last week and now they're they're kind

of becoming green but still beautiful absolutely beautiful so if you hear anything

it's because I got my windows open and I can feel the breeze and

hear what's going on outside with the birds and someone who was doing some, I think, some pesticide

sprang or something at the neighbors but anyway here is I want to show you

this here is a mug that someone made me conversations that matter 2020 actually

they made me too're supporters obviously of the

podcast. They just sent these to me. Conversations that matter 2020, two different

styles and I wanted to give them a plug since they did such fine work and I'm obviously using the mugs that they sent me.

So if you go to, and I'll show you here, Instagram, I'm going to put the link in the info section, Clay Pot Candles on Instagram and you can

see some of the other work that Susan Payne.

It is public online, so I guess I can say the name that Susan Payne does.

And I think she sells some of it if I'm not mistaken,

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