The next Pat's podcast draft special is presented by John Sewer in Drain Cleaning, the name to know when the drains don't flow.

Patrons making a move up in the first round of tonight's NFL draft.

This New England selecting offensive tackle Caleb Lomu out of Utah with the 28th overall pick.

Pat sent their first round pick which is number 31 overall as well as a fourth rounder.

They sent that to the Buffalo Bills to move up.

So the Patriots taking Caleb Lomu and here's what Elliot Wolf had to say about the draft pick just moments ago.

We drafted Caleb Lomu from Utah, traded up three spots and gave up a fourth round pick to acquire him.

Really excited about this player. He's young. He's experienced.

He's athletic.

He's a great kid.

And frankly, I was a little surprised that he was still available.

And that's why we decided to move up a little bit.

And we're excited at him.

All right, welcome to the next Pat's draft special presented by John Sewer and drain cleaning.

Tom Childs, Tommy Kern, Bert Breyer from Sports Illustrated.

We got Phil Perry, our draft guru as well.

And I'll just start, Phil.

Are you surprised that Lomu was there and that the Patriots moved up to get him?

I'm not necessarily surprised that he's there. I am a little surprised they moved up to get him? I'm not necessarily surprised that he's there.

I am a little surprised they moved up to get him, though I think it's a smart move.

The reason why I'm a little surprised that they moved up was the tier of talent,

generally speaking, at that stage of the draft,

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