What's up everybody? Welcome into the next Pat's podcast. I'm Phil Perry, loaded episode for you.

And it's just a nice, long, healthy conversation, meaty conversation with our good friend Mike Giardy of the Boston

Sports Journal. You can also catch them on the All-32 podcast. Tremendous, tremendous stuff from Mike,

because we're both there for the first open OTA practice of the spring for your New England Patriots.

It was actually the team's second OTA practice, but we're giving you all sorts

of takeaways from there what we saw on the field, what we saw from them schematically that maybe

piqued our interest. We're talking about that guy over my right shoulder, Christian Gonzalez.

He was not there. What do the Patriots do now moving forward with him and why it might be in their

best interest to try to get a deal done as soon as humanly possible? And it's not necessarily

because these OTA practices and the things he would be learning are the most important thing

in the world. It's not going to make or break his season. But for him on the field earlier as opposed to later, to me, would be a good

thing. So might the Patriots be interested in entertain the idea of making their best and

final offer in the very near future? I think there's some merit to that kind of approach.

We're talking to AJ Brown as well

on the latest reporting there. Is there any uncertainty with this? Is this actually maybe not going

to happen right now? What is Mike believe? What do I believe? We're telling you it's a great

conversation. Here it is. There he is. Mike Garty, Boston Sports Journal. Michael, thank you so much

for being with us. Before we really launch into a variety of

different topics, I just want to ask you first, what was your biggest takeaway from our first,

as media members, our first day at Patriots OTA practice this week? That the Mike Vrable story

is about at the end, that he's come out on the other side of it.

And obviously to my way of thinking that the only thing that could move the story back front

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