This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.

The Around the NFL podcast.

This whole arrangement is absurd.

From the Chris Wesleying podcast studio, it's Around the NFL.

I'm Dan Hanses.

There are heroes in this room with me. Greg Rosenthal,

Mark Sessler. Now that I've set the table, we will talk about professional football for the next

hour or so. Well, you know, it's like we settle into these routines throughout the week. Every

Tuesday is kind of the same Tuesday. And I think the way you just started this podcast is a fresh approach. It's going to breathe new life into this podcast in particular. That would be, step out of that routine. That would have been valuable at any of that that came out of your mouth, been sincere on any level. But it's true. That was a different, it woke me up. I'll decide. I was, you know, sending an email about, you know, some holiday party drama. And Dan, I was like, ooh, where's Dan going with this? I got to pay attention. I like to take me out of the routine. Do you think this is still a good podcast? Like, where do you guys come down on it?

Actually, you guys are probably too close.

B minus.

Hit or miss, I mean, by the dictionary definition.

A good podcast?

I think it is one of the best.

And actually, that's funny you ask, this actually wasn't a setup.

I got a message this morning from some shadowy league figures and apparently around the NFL made pod tracks top 20

industry agnostic podcast ratings for the month of November what religion are you oh i'm industry

agnostic well what is that like the pff of Yeah, it's top podcasts. And we, the daily, the New York Times is number one, NPR is two. We are number 16 out of 20. That is huge. And that came from a shadowy league figure because I've always been under the impression that none of the shadowy league figures are aware that this is a podcast, that this exists. Well, now they've got the, you've got the eye heart deal. Right. There's some, well, we don't got the high art deal. These some ad money flowing in. And then they're like, huh, these boys are playing with the big hitters. Yeah, producers. See? And speak. Oh, go ahead, Mark.

Well, no, would you have told us that had Dan not prompted you?

Actually, well, yeah, I was going to tell you after the show. I'm just, it seems like important information to pass. I've often, you know, back in the day, this bothered. I remember Wes at the time. I think you guys too. I was saying like we're the Big Bang theory of podcasts,

not critically popular,

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