Patriot or Outcast?
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4.5 • 6K Ratings
🗓️ 22 April 2021
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
The country remains divided over the January 6th Capitol riot. The division is reflected in voter surveys, news coverage, and millions of social media posts. But the tension is also on display in small, idiosyncratic communities who realized some of their own were at the Capitol attack and may have cheered it on.
Guest: Matthew Rosenberg, reporter for the New York Times.
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| 0:00.0 | When you look at pictures of the U.S. Capitol on January 6th, what are the images that stick with you? |
| 0:12.9 | Do you keep thinking about that guy with the horns in the face paint? |
| 0:16.2 | Or one of the people waving enormous flags inside the rotunda? |
| 0:20.9 | Maybe it's the guys with flexicuffs, you can't get out of your head. |
| 0:24.6 | Matt Rosenberg was there on January 6th. |
| 0:27.8 | He reports for the New York Times. |
| 0:30.0 | The people he can't stop thinking about are the ones who, a lot of the time, are just outside the frame. |
| 0:37.4 | People who were caught up in the moment. |
| 0:40.1 | They were just ordinary people. |
| 0:41.4 | They had not gone there planning to assault the capital. |
| 0:49.0 | These were the people egging the extremists and the vandals on. |
| 0:57.4 | And seeing those people left Matt with a lot of questions. |
| 1:02.5 | I remember talking to some of those people. |
| 1:03.9 | You had school teachers, firemen, you know, office workers. |
| 1:08.1 | You just have this utterly ordinary kind of swall of Americans. |
| 1:13.1 | And they're there cheering on, you know, somebody ransacking, attempting to ransack the capital |
| 1:18.8 | and potentially violently harm or disrupt kind of the workings of government, the certification |
| 1:25.7 | election, and the members of Congress and their |
| 1:27.6 | staff. And how do they all get there? |
| 1:32.0 | Once Matt started wondering how these people got there, he started to wonder, what was going to |
| 1:37.3 | happen when they went home? So far, around 400 people have been charged for what they did on |
| 1:43.2 | January 6th. |
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