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The Lawfare Podcast

Patrick Radden Keefe on 'Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland'

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🗓️ 15 February 2020

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In 2013, Patrick Radden Keefe, a staff writer for the New Yorker, came across the obituary of a woman named Dolours Price, a former member of the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Keefe's interest in Price led to sprawling research about an appalling crime that took place over the course of the three-decade Troubles in Northern Ireland: The disappearance of Jean McConville, a widowed young mother of ten children. His research led to his 2019 book, “Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland.”

Mikhaila Fogel sat down with Keefe to discuss his book, the shocking history of McConville’s disappearance, the broader context of the terrorism and counterterrorism campaigns in Northern Ireland over the course of the Troubles, and what happened to the perpetrators and the victims of this crime.

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no bull and the aftermath.

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It was often the case when people were going to be executed by the IRA that they would take

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them down into the Republic often to remote rural stretches.

0:44.2

And in this instance, what I learned was that they took her down and turned her over to

0:50.8

a local unit whose job was to kill a convoy.

0:55.1

But the local unit found that they couldn't do it.

0:57.9

We don't know exactly why, but most likely because she was a woman, they may have known

1:02.2

that she was a mother of 10 and a widow, right?

1:05.4

So if you kill her, you're orphaning 10 kids.

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And so the local unit sent for essentially for backup for reinforcements from Belfast

1:16.1

to come and finish the job.

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I'm Michaela Fogel and this is the LawFair podcast, February 15, 2020.

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In 2013, Patrick Raddkeef, a staff writer for the New Yorker, came across the obituary

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of a woman named Dolores Price, a former member of the Irish Republican Army or IRA.

1:39.1

His interest in price led to sprawling research about an appalling crime that took place

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over the three decades-long troubles in Northern Ireland.

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The disappearance of Jean Maconville, a widow-de-young mother of 10 children.

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This research led to his 2019 book, Say Nothing, a true story of murder and memory in Northern

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