Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy. Today is Monday, May 8th,

2023 and I'm the host of the show Kara Santa Maria and as always before we dive into this week's episode I do want to

thank those of you who make Talk Nurdy possible. Remember Talk Nurdy is and

will always be as long as I keep doing this, 100% free to download.

And the way I can make that happen

is really because I rely on the support of individuals

just like you.

I do read ads on the show whenever I have the opportunity to, and I feel like it's a decent fit

but you know most of the support of the show comes through Patreon

at the very top of the show this week I'll do it and I do it every week I give a

shout out to those who are in the top tier of of my patrons but every little bit

helps even you know 50 cents a dollar two dollars an episode I think at the $2 an episode level you get access to

ad-free episodes. So let's thank our top patrons this week. They include Daniel Lang

David J. E. Smith, Mary Niva, Brian Holden, David Compton, Gabriel F.

Jaramillo, Joe Wilkinson, Pasqualee, Gilati, and Oureka Hagman.

Thank you all so so much. All right, let's get into it. So this week, I think it's my second time

interviewing this incredible science writer. Her name is Angela Saini and she has won so many awards.

She is so respected and her writing is

a chef's kiss.

I can't say enough nice things about it.

She's also a presenter like on radio, podcast, TV programs all

over the world but you've probably seen her on BBC, you might have seen her

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