Hey, this is Paris. I hope you enjoyed the Data Vampire series that we did back in October. It's had a fantastic response.

And for that series, I spoke to a bunch of experts. And now we're releasing the full-length versions of those interviews for our supporters over on patreon.com.

And I wanted to give you a preview of what those interviews sound like. So you can consider whether to go to patreon.com

slash tech won't save us, become a supporter yourself, so you can learn even more about the

important topics that we dug into in that special series. So enjoy this clip from my interview

with Dwayne Monroe. One of the things I found really interesting in your writing, and, you know, I should say I'm looking forward to us starting our energy futures platform company now.

But it was also how you talk about that aspect of it, right, where there are these new companies forming or whatever and they can build themselves on top of the cloud now.

And they don't need to worry so much about this infrastructure build out that would have been required in the past for them to basically

make this company, right? And so then you have this big capital expense up front that now

you don't need to worry about because you're going on to the cloud. But you also talked about

how there was this transition in existing companies,

in large organizations or medium-sized organizations who had some infrastructure of their own

and slowly started taking advantage of the cloud and moving over to the cloud and how, in some cases,

it wasn't like the boards and the management who were open to this, but rather it was more like, you know,

some of the workers and people doing that kind of network work. Can you talk about that aspect of

it as well? Yeah, this was my experience because you have problems to solve and you often don't

have a budget to solve those problems. You know, I mean, the way that I got into cloud was that

I was working for a firm. We were having some difficulties meeting demand when people were ordering books from the organization's

website. Our request to leadership was, listen, we need to buy more. It's always more servers,

more storage, more servers, more storage. Every year they're hearing this, right? And then,

well, how much do you need?

Oh, maybe 8 million.

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