Patreon Bonus Sneak Peek | Inside England: Southgate’s Culture Reset, EPPP and the Tuchel Gamble
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
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🗓️ 22 May 2026
⏱️ 18 minutes
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In this Patreon special of It Was What It Was, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper speak with Jonathan Northcroft about the updated paperback edition of their Gareth Southgate book, retitled Inside England, which adds four new chapters. They discuss Southgate’s cultural reset, including the Royal Marines camp at Lympstone, and trace the deeper roots of England’s revival through reforms such as EPPP and England DNA, alongside figures like Dan Ashworth, Dave Redding, Trevor Brooking and Greg Dyke’s 2022 World Cup target. They cover how improved youth development, psychology and data-led penalty preparation helped transform England into a resilient tournament team, before assessing Euro 2024’s tactical problems and the FA’s decision to appoint Thomas Tuchel for “wow factor” and elite coaching. They end by weighing concerns about recent friendlies, squad management and camp culture heading into the World Cup.
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| 0:00.0 | Well, welcome to it was what it was. And before we get into our main episode today, we did want to remind you that our Patreon page is available. And our Patreon is super exciting, isn't it, Jonathan? |
| 0:10.4 | Oh, it couldn't be more exciting, Rob. Every Wednesday, you're getting a countdown to the World Cup. That will go on during the tournament itself. So if you join the Patreon, you can go back and we've been doing them from 1930 all the way through, so you can read the whole back catalogue. But every week we release a new one going through the World Cups and Order, obviously based on my book, because why would I not sell myself? That's what this game's all about. So World Cup Wednesdays, but that's not all, is it? We also give you stuff on Fridays. |
| 0:38.0 | It's certainly not all. Yeah, on Fridays we have an extra episode. Often that's a bonus episode |
| 0:42.9 | picking up on themes, which we've talked about in the main episode, and we do live Q&As, if my |
| 0:50.2 | board band holds out. And sometimes we flick through old shoot magazines in general i think |
| 0:56.3 | it's quite a lot of fun and it's just a deeper dive into some of the themes we get into in these |
| 1:01.2 | main edition so do please go and check out the patron page do also remember to review us because |
| 1:06.7 | that also helps get a scene and noticed but do enjoy enjoy the rest of the main episode, but check out our patron. |
| 1:17.5 | Welcome to It Was What It Was. |
| 1:23.0 | We've got a special bonus edition for you today. |
| 1:25.7 | Thomas Tuchold is naming his World Cup squad. It's a day |
| 1:29.1 | you're officially allowed to get excited about the World Cup. And recently, Jonathan Northcroft joined |
| 1:35.5 | myself and Jonathan Wilson to discuss the book that I've written with Jonathan Northcroft |
| 1:40.1 | inside England. And this is a special edition we put out on our Patreon. |
| 1:49.2 | So we thought we'd give you a little sneak preview of it and a little taste of what you get on the Patreon. |
| 1:50.0 | Do enjoy. |
| 2:02.6 | And what Gareth inherits is to, and we'll talk about the deeper roots of this, |
| 2:10.1 | I think he inherits what you see now is some work that was done in 2008 and 2010 and 2012. |
| 2:13.7 | You're beginning to see some really good players come through. |
| 2:18.9 | But I think his unique twist on it is he knows that he's got to make a culture change because those talented players would perhaps have rejected England or not particularly have been |
| 2:23.7 | very invested in England had he not done the work he did. So this cultural shift is it sort of |
| 2:28.7 | it's really it's a it begins as a reaction to the failure to qualify in 2008 and we get out of that the elite player |
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