Pathological Liars | BONUS | Karoline's Story
Betrayal Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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4.6 • 655 Ratings
🗓️ 11 July 2025
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
Curious about the psychology of pathological liars, Andrea talks with two leading experts. For more from Dr. Drew Curtis and Dr. Christian Hart, check out their book Big Liars: What Psychological Science Tells Us About Lying and How You Can Avoid Being Duped.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed human. |
| 0:14.1 | Hi, guys, it's Andrea with a bonus episode. |
| 0:18.2 | This season on betrayal, we're telling the story of Caroline Braga. |
| 0:21.6 | After two decades of marriage, she discovered that her entire life was a mirage. |
| 0:27.6 | Her husband, Joel, an honorable cop, was anything but. |
| 0:31.6 | For years, he'd been spending his time on the clock having sex in his police car. |
| 0:36.6 | On top of that, he'd had dozens of affairs. |
| 0:41.3 | For Caroline, this betrayal was not just about what Joel did. |
| 0:45.4 | It was about the lengths he went to to cover it all up. |
| 0:48.7 | Our marriage has just been lie after lie after lie. |
| 0:52.3 | Day after day, Joel deceived her. |
| 0:55.4 | He lied about where he was, who he was with, |
| 0:58.7 | and what he was really up to all those long nights on duty. |
| 1:02.8 | And even during his investigation by the Colorado Springs Police Department, |
| 1:06.9 | when he signed a document guaranteeing honesty, |
| 1:10.0 | he continued to hide the truth. |
| 1:12.0 | To me, this is the most disturbing piece of the entire case. |
| 1:15.4 | The fact that you lied, the fact that you're willing to put this on a third person, is absolutely |
| 1:19.6 | horrific and constitutes a violation of your oath in office. |
| 1:24.4 | While reporting on Caroline's story, our team has been fascinated by the idea of liars, |
| 1:30.4 | people who refuse to be honest, even when their back is up against the wall. |
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