Pastor Scott Gray Investigation Allegedly Reveals False Documents, Secret Accounts & Luxury Items
Preacher Boys Podcast
Eric Skwarczynski
4.5 • 737 Ratings
🗓️ 19 April 2026
⏱️ 100 minutes
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Summary
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In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, Travis Chappell (host of the Travis Makes Money Podcast) joins to break down the latest developments in the Liberty Baptist Church financial scandal involving former senior pastor Scott Gray and deceased associate pastor and financial director Tim Forgy.
We cover the leaked audio recordings from the March 22nd, 2026 church meeting led by attorney David Gibbs III of the National Center for Life and Liberty, where the congregation learned the full extent of the church's financial mismanagement — including secret bank accounts, forged board minutes, and unauthorized loans taken out without board knowledge or approval.
The outside CPA firm hired to investigate called it "one of the worst cases" of church financial fraud they had ever seen.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:59 How this came to light
06:42 Pastor Scott Gray's Public Statement
09:12 Did Scott Gray Lie About Stepping Away from Ministry?
12:03 Church Business Meeting
12:46 How church finances improved after Scott Gray Left
15:16 Maybe "the worst case" the CPA had ever seen
18:21 Scope of the investigation
21:17 Forged documents to obtain loans
27:05 Did Tim Forgy act without Scott Gray's knowledge?
28:27 Maxed out church credit cards
32:56 Staff were asked not to take paychecks
43:12 Double payments made to Pastor Scott Gray
47:13 Excessive and undocumented spending
51:29 Nearly $400k cost to church
57:33 Luxury purchases
01:04:37 Churches need strong systems to prevent this
01:10:24 Poorly planned building projects
01:14:46 Gibbs says Scott Gray has been "combative"
01:16:19 Executive Summary
01:18:32 Civil/Criminal Charges aren't being pursued
01:22:43 LBC's financial strategy moving forward
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast. I know this is an episode that people |
| 0:04.3 | have been asking for for a very long time. Back in September of 2025, I shared about the |
| 0:12.5 | resignation of Pastor Scott Gray from his church, Liberty Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. |
| 0:19.0 | And in that less than 13-minute statement, he admitted |
| 0:22.0 | church finances were in disarray. He talked about loans being taken out with outboard knowledge, |
| 0:26.9 | and that he had a failure to supervise staff, and it left the church's records in a mess. |
| 0:31.5 | You can go back and listen to that episode for the full context, but everything that we've |
| 0:36.5 | seen since then has indicated that him saying |
| 0:39.0 | it left finances in a big mess was an understatement. It was a lot worse than he let on. So I want to |
| 0:45.2 | cover this with an update. I have recordings of the meeting that they had just a couple of weeks |
| 0:50.6 | ago discussing this. And yeah, there's a lot to cover here. I didn't want to do it |
| 0:55.4 | by myself. I brought in my friend Travis Chapel. He hosts the Travis Makes Money podcast. He is not |
| 1:01.3 | and neither am I a financial advisor, but he has done over 1,500 interviews with entrepreneurs, |
| 1:07.7 | business owners. He has talked to people who are generating millions, if not billions of dollars in revenue. |
| 1:14.2 | And so he can bring a unique perspective here. |
| 1:17.1 | If you want to hear more from him, you can however do the Travis Makes Money podcast wherever you listen to shows. |
| 1:22.1 | But without further ado, let's get into the episode. |
| 1:27.5 | Can nobody say. let's get into the episode. Oh, oh, uh, |
| 1:28.4 | ain't nobody safe |
| 1:30.8 | safe. |
| 1:53.9 | And the Bible. Safe in a Bible moment. Oh, in a Bible home. |
| 2:03.3 | In a Bible event. All right, so for those of you there listening and need to be caught up on the story so far, on May 20th, 2025, I reported a case that kind of started all of this. So one of the assistant |
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