This is Monica Perez.

This is Monica Perez.

I'm here today with Craig Pasta Jardula, whom Rockman subscribers and Deep Dive

listeners will know from the Union of the Unwanted and Am Wakeup, where I've shared a screen

with him many times.

You may also know him from the Convo Couch, a talk show where he discusses news of the day and introduces viewers to new personalities and candidates they've probably never heard of before.

And he offers different perspectives from he's not a strict political

ideologue or it seems to me that your opinions have been evolving over the years I'll let

you get into that but I'm very happy to have you here to

hear your take on recent events in Brazil especially since you are what I

would call a bona fide election observer so strap on your tanks because we're going deep with a

dive master and I have to apologize to starting late because I did not press play.

So we've been talking for like 10 minutes and it's been great we had so much energy and

Anyway so that happens every once in a while pasta forgive me and if we can start over, I'd be so happy.

Well, let me just tell you, Monica,

whoever tells you that lightning can't strike twice in a bottle is lying,

because we're going to do it right here

and we're going to do it now.

I'm going to mimic it. Well, listen, I said some things

when we had a little test run over here about talking about,

like, you know, I was known as a progressive, right?

Like in the Bernie Sanders field,

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