Last week, we shared what a year of past due conversations had taught us, the patterns,

the surprises, the things we're still sitting with.

And this is part two of our one-year anniversary, because it turns out when you spend a year

asking people to tell the truth about money and creative survival, people have some

things to say.

The creative economy is broken.

And we've spent 12 months finding out exactly how and why and what people are doing about it anyway.

I'm open Mike Eagle.

And I'm Anna Marie Cox.

And this is past two.

All right. I get to go next.

Yes.

Barron Vaughn.

Oh, okay.

So we do have an overlay.

I knew it.

I was like, when you said that we don't have any in common, I thought he was just lovely.

And I've never really talked with him before and not necessarily super familiar with his work. I knew who he was.

And he just came out and just laid it on the table. Just, I was so impressed by his grace in talking about it.

He's how much, how thoughtful he was,

and yet how vulnerable at the same time.

I think that's a tough trick.

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