Passos, Montemayor, Mindt: Do Animals, Infants, and AI Have Consciousness?

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

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🗓️ 18 April 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Passos, Montemayor, and Mindt examine consciousness limits in infants, animals, and artificial intelligence systems. They explore how we can recognize consciousness, the moral implications of treating non‑human minds, and whether AI should receive the same ethical consideration as human children.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:03:56 - How aware are infants?- 00:08:36 - Correlates of consciousness- 00:11:16 - Trauma in infants- 00:17:00 - Traditional definitions of consciousness- 00:22:05 - Animal consciousness- 00:26:05 - Phenomenal consciousness- 00:35:37 - “You can't be intelligent if you are not autonomous”- 00:37:00 - Asymmetric moral considerations- 00:41:00 - Agency needs vulnerability to work- 00:43:20 - The borders between biology and machine- 00:46:00 - Building "mini brains"!- 00:58:40 - Behavioral markers of consciousness- 01:00:10 - Should AI be given the same ethical consideration as our human children?- 01:05:16 - Do infants lack moral standing?- 01:08:14 - Is analogue consciousness relevant?- 01:14:06 - What do we mean by “autonomy”?- 01:19:00 - OutroSPONSORS:- Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with code [TOE] at Manscaped.com- Brilliant: 20% off https://brilliant.org/TOERESOURCES:- YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YMcEPfqCM- *New* TOE Website (early access to episodes): https://theoriesofeverything.org/- http://theoriesofeverything.org- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9...- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt... Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:14.5	Today we talk about artificial intelligence as well as evidence for consciousness.
1:19.0	The infamous problem of other minds has embedded in it the question of how to explicitly
1:23.8	test for consciousness, perhaps also how to test for degrees of consciousness if consciousness isn't merely binary.
1:29.3	That is, specifically, can we test for consciousness in infants?
1:33.3	And animals. It seems obvious to most that babies are conscious, but what are the arguments for and against?
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