This is Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby, and you're listening to the love, happiness, and success podcast.

Not my plan.

And not my house. Back to you can never go. and Success Podcast. All right. That's the coat hangers with a song, Watch Your Back. Today, we are talking about a topic that I know so many people wrestle with and myself have encountered this, which is passive, aggressive people.

They're everywhere.

They can show up at work in our friendships, in your relationship with family members,

and it can be really frustrating and difficult to know what to do

in these situations. And also, this is just an exasperating experience. You know, that type of thing

where somebody is sunny and pleasant and fun to your face, but then you know they're saying or

doing things behind your

back, or maybe even somebody making those ambiguous comments that can be taken a few different

ways in your presence, but knowing them in their history, you know what they're talking about,

but you can't really confront it directly. It's just so hard to know what to do in these situations

without making the situation worse. And that is why I enlisted the support of my dear friend

and colleague, once again, Kathleen Carroll, who is a therapist and coach here on our team

at Growing Self, who has so much experience in helping people

develop truly healthy relationships with healthy boundaries, healthy communication,

high degree of emotional intelligence.

And I'm hoping that she can shed some light on this phenomena to provide you with some

direction for this situation.

So Kathleen, thank you so much for being here with me today.

Yet again, you are just such a joy to talk to.

You're one of my all-time favorite podcast guests because you always are just so generous

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