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You said something like, but it's already happened.

You know, like how much of life do you feel is predestined?

You know, I was always this guy that believed that, okay, I can make it happen. I was the, a manifesto. I was always good at manifesting. But I never considered the notion that maybe I'm just remembering the path that I already chose. And that even the things that I think I'm making as choices are just an illusion of choice, so that I'll play the game with all my heart, might, mind, and strength. And that's the real that that's the reality I've come to now. That feels like we're in a simulation. Is that how you see it? I mean, what's a simulation? Simulation from the perspective that we're all playing a play like a game. Yes. I believe that that's absolutely the case. I don't think it's like a computer as we think of the word computer. I think that it's more like a dream. And this is what you know, you could find out about in the Empadishads or you know, the Bhagavad Gita or any one of these different approaches to Maya, which simply read backwards as I am. So this notion that we're kind of going through life and not realizing that we're in a pattern of repetition cycles until we finally stop judging the things that are happening to us in those repetition cycles and learn to accept them. And that's the actual nature of the game. The real nature of the game is to realize that you created it all. And why you chose what you chose so you can learn the principles through not didactic learning but true experiential learning. And I don't believe that this is like a computer, per se. I do believe, though, that it is a spiritual life simulation. You could think of it like that in the form of a dream. We have certain laws of physics that apply even in dreams until we finally get to the point where we ascend what we think of as necessary in the dream. You know, the first time you experience a lucid dream, for example, where you could fly. Then all of a sudden you started to break out of what you thought your destiny was and so much more as possible. And I think that's where humanity's going right now that we're starting to realize, wait, the only real limitations in this world are the ones that we consistently and persistently cling to and believe in. So if you start taking off the governor of your own belief system, how much more could you experience, how much more could you love? Maybe we're just here to learn how to love and be loved in the context of this game, and instead of trying to battle it and get rid of the things we want to get rid of, which is what the narcissist will do. Instead we start to fall in love with it and accept it just as it is. Has that been your experience in this transformation that you're undergoing? Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about it? Absolutely. I mean, the transformation is one of realizing that I created my experience. And I would really like to understand why. Why did I do it? And it gets more and more interesting as time goes by. Every day that goes by, you know, everything becomes more and more clear but also raises more and more questions. And then I come to the realization the more I learn, the less I actually know. That's another quote by Ralph Walder Emerson. And so I nowadays I really believe that wholeheartedly that everything I thought I knew, it reminds me of what I lived in Japan. I had this boss who is a Australian guy and he said, you know, how'd you like your first trip to Japan, Robert? I was like, oh, I really liked it. I was like, it was really easy. You know, they were so polite. Everyone was so nice.

It was such a great place. The food, everything was great. And then, and then he said, yeah, yeah, that was what it was like for me my first time too, right? Like this. I was like, okay, I'm like, and he goes,

and the second trip was Hata, and I go, oh, really?

He says, yeah, I started realizing that they would say,

hi, what kind of lifestyle?

Like, it means I understand.

But that doesn't mean, yes, really? So yeah, I started realizing that they would say,

hi, what kind of lifestyle?

Like, it means I understand.

But that doesn't mean, yes, I'm going to do it.

Right? And so then he started pointing out all these things that after his second trip, he felt like he'd knew less than after his first trip. And by his third trip, he definitely knew less. And by his 20th trip or 30th trip, he was like, I don't know, maybe he said, I don't know,

fuck all about this place.

And that's exactly what I feel like we're learning here. And each one of these revelations that were basically unraveling. And sometimes there are things that we're hidden by us in prior lifetimes. And then you start to remember even those prior lifetimes leaving yourself things to find at this point in time. Now, did you do all of that consciously? I don't know. Did Da Vinci, how do we know that Da Vinci went to Egypt? Well, because he wrote a letter saying he went to Egypt. He wrote a letter to the Sultan of Cairo, Sultan Qaid Bey, who was the most famous Sultan in the 15th century. And he was Circassian. And by the way, Da Vinci's mother was Circassian. Circassia, you know, the Circassian people were from the Crimea region of what we call Ukraine today, modern day Ukraine. They were the, the Sultanate class of body of bodyguards. So the Mamluke Sultan's were bodyguards. And their most famous polymathic king, Sultan was Sultan Qaid Bey. And he didn't want Cairo to be anything less than the resplendent jewel of the Middle East that would be on par with Florence at the time, a seed of all learning and polymathie and Renaissance culture. And so he went and hired about 100 European scholars and polymaths to build the architecture of Cairo that still stands most of it today. A lot of it still stands today. And you'll see it in most every building that's from that period was all during the Sultanate Kaipbe's period. So he went to work for him and his job was to survey the great Mount Taurus. Now most people people think that's a reference to Armenia because the Taurus Mountains are in Armenia, which you know, we would be between Turkey and Armenia, which is kind of the idea of where Ararat Mount Ararat is. And so he references places that make no sense in any of those areas, what it's actually referencing, he even, he even pronounced or wrote the word Armenia as Irmin. Irmin is very, they never use the term, ER, M-I-N-E to refer to Armenia. Irmin was a little ferret, right? You might have seen the painting that Da Vinci did called Lady with the Irmin. It's a little white ferret that sits on her lap, right? And it's actually a reference to a hermetic order of magic in Grimoire. Okay, so this is ceremonial magic. So there was an order of the, of the Hermene, right, which is actually Hermes. Hermene was the reference of Vailed reference to Hermes. Okay. So what he said was he was living on, you know, the shores of the, of the Nile, but he was saying as an encryption that it was a river of your Frades and that what he was doing, there was no place like the one he describes that exists. And what he was doing was surveying the Great Mount Taurus. There were three peaks of the Great Mount Taurus. Now, unless you actually did the polymathic work to find out that the Great Mount Taurus is actually a reference to the Great Pyramid because the high reglific name for the Great Pyramid is Bull Mountain. And literally the name of the Giza Plato is Taurus, it's Rostow backwards because Egyptian is read right to left versus, you know, left to right. And so you have Taurus, which is like bull, becomes Rostow. And the Giza Plateau, the original name is Rostow. It's the Rose Cross. And the Rose is always a symbol for the bull. That's why in bull fights, right? They always throw the roses at the end. You ever wonder that? Because that's a symbol for the bull. And guess what the bull represents? It represents Osiris. That's the name. The great bull of the West is the other name for the God Osiris. So Osiris is born. He gets to now reincarnate in the the form of Horus and the Sun. And Horus is the word for hour, so it represents time. This is the beginning of time. It also is the word the other way to say Horus is Heyru, which is Hiro. So we get the word Hiro from, right? In fact, the name Cairo is pronounced in Greek. Cairo would be pronounced hero, hero, literally hero. So he comes back, battles it out with set and set, plugs out his left eye. So he loses his left eye of Horace. The right eye, also known as the left eye of Thoth, which is the left eye of wisdom, the left eye of intuition, the left eye connects to the right brain, the right eye connects to the left brain. The right brain controls intuition, controls imagination, controls the feminine. Right? That's why it's referred to the moon, the eye of the moon, the eye of the raw. The Sun God raw is the right eye, which connects to the left brain, which is the logos, which is the rational thought versus irrational. And until we have both eyes, we're able to see with both sides of our brain, we are somewhat blind because we cannot have the intuition layer. So the story is how does this then compare to what Da Vinci did? Well, the Vitruvian man, if you look up at the top and the paragraph above it, it says he cut his man into 14 parts. And then he placed the lines on the body of the torso and on the arms, the wrists, and exactly the same spots in historical reference where the 14 parts were cut up. So these lines show up at the groin, they show up at the chest line, they show up above over the heart, they show up at the throat, they show up in the face, they show up at the elbows and the wrists. One of the wrists has a cuff. The other wrist doesn't. So then you start wondering, well, wait a minute. Is this actually a reference to Osiris? And if you look closely at Vitruvian man, you'll notice that there are three stars right on his like diamond shapes that are right on top of his abdomen. Those are the three pyramids and the stars of a Ryan's belt and Osiris constellation is the Orion constellation. So can we take from all this that DaVinci was you know following Egyptian mythology? is that how it works?

Because all the polymast of reason, the draw for the polymast to go to Egypt at that time was to attend the Egyptian mystery schools where Sultan Qai'be was one of the teachers. So he invites them all to come, of sure, I'm sure they're got paid, but at the same time, it's like come to Egypt and you're gonna go and become a super polymath now. Right. So this was, I mean, this is where Pythagoras spent 30 years. This is where Plato spent a lot of time as well. These are all the greats. And then maybe Da Vinci was Pythagoras. I'm sorry. Maybe through time Da Vinci was a reincarnation of Pythagoras. And so finding him things for himself, as you start to move into this higher awareness, you no longer are bound by this lifetime's memories. You can actually access your past lives memories as well. If that's not a record scratch moment, Jonathan, I don't know what is. Do you remember the Pythagorean theorem? I sure do not. So the Pythagorean theorem is one of, I mean, one of the most important theorems you can learn. It's a squared plus b squared equals c squared. If you have a triangle with a right angle, it's a 90 degree angle, you can figure out the sides using that equation. If you know two of them, you can figure out the third. If you know one of them and a side, you can figure out the other. If the two sides of the triangle are the same, that's already two that you know, but it's like the most amazing equation. So Pythagoras was a Greek philosopher and polymath. What? Pythagoras was Greek and he was born in the fifth, sixth century. The question I think we can speak to is we've talked about reincarnation in terms of Jim Tucker's work, Dr. Jim Tucker. Are we reincarnated as people that are similar to us in our message? Are we on a path? And if we don't complete our life's work in this lifetime, will we come back in another lifetime? I mean, like, I'm probably the only one getting teary-eyed, but the notion that if there's some cosmic world where reincarnation is a thing, the notion that the essence of Pythagoras may have then a thousand years later been placed into Leonardo da Vinci. The notion is also Thomas Coon talked about, you know, in terms of like the philosophy of the movement of science, like it has to move forward. Someone's going to move it forward. If it's not da Vinci, it'll be someone else. Like that's the movement of the world and the way that it progresses. But I love this notion that Robert was just like in passing, maybe Pythagoras. So I bet he believes it even more deeply. Here's a controversial take that just occurred to me. Instead of souls being individual entities that potentially could reincarnate and they're like, there's a level of like self in that. What if you go back into the collective in a far less individual manner and you're just able to pick up information that existed from all the souls that existed. And so you go back and you just collect the experiences, the data and you come back with your toolbox. So it's not like you were that person, but maybe whatever aspect of that soul when it was on on the other side, just was able to gather a handful of data. And then it was able to remember that collective information enough to express it. I mean, I love that. And I'm gonna take it even one step further. That is what's happening. We don't know, we can't prove, we don't know what that looks like. Like we can't access it. But, but all of history is gathering information that has previously been collected, researched, debated, and synthesizing it in a way that makes sense given the information that we have at this present time. That's kind of what it is. And one of the biggest criticisms of past life, regression therapy is like everyone says, oh, I was this king and I was this, what if they are just remembering the collective experience of that? Yeah. Meaning that you don't have to actually have been that king, but you just on the other side, there's enough of that information available that you're just remembering it. I'm super into this and it's making me equally emotional. So like that's very, very exciting. Success. Let's talk about other things as we transition into this kind of next portion of the conversation. Let's talk about other things that we may not be able to necessarily touch, measure, but actually impact us. I want to talk about something that Sir Robert knows a ton about that I actually hadn't even looked into. What is it? The infrasonic range. And when he started talking about, I was like, what are we even talking about? It turns out the infrasonic range is a range of low frequency noise that exists below a frequency of 20 hertz. It is audible. And the popular concept that anything below 20 hertz is not audible is actually incorrect. And I'm looking at a NIH PubMed article from Jeff Levinthal, from like biophysiology, molecular biology, you know, like this is a good thing. And some people are very sensitive to sounds in this range. Other people are not. So when you talk to someone who's like super sensitive, like emotionally, and you say like, oh, that person's like, oh, you gotta be careful. You can't make jokes with them. That's one kind of sensitivity. What if I were to tell you that there are people who can take in information at certain ranges in ways that it impacts them? Some people feel it as a pressure in their body. They can feel it in their ears. They can feel it like pressure. What are some of the examples of this airplane noise that's going on all the time at a low frequency? Some people pick up on it, ocean waves, things like that. And when I think of all the people I've known, especially in in holistic circles and alternative healing circles, who claim that they can perceive other things. And I always dismissed it. I was like, that's not real. That's not a thing. Guess what? The human ability to perceive things in different ways is true. It's true on a literal frequency hurts level. Why wouldn't it be true on an emotional level? Why wouldn't it be true on a consciousness level? I've become more of a believer in the infrasonic range after this conversation, but I would love to let Robert talk about how that relates to a conversation about the Akashic field. Could that be something that lives in this range that most people do not perceive? You know, we've talked about the Akashic records and this sort of notion that there's some sort of plane that some people can tune into where kind of all of our collective experience and existence lives. Where does this field live and how does that kind of fit into this notion of finding ourselves in time again and again? It's a fabulous question. In fact, it's an area I've been doing a lot of research on lately. I believe that this layer of information sits in what we call the infrasonic band of the spectrum. Right. So what's infrasonic? Infrasonic would be zero hertz to 20 hertz. Now that happens to be the one zone that we have almost very, very little research regarding. Why? Well, if you go and look at gravitational waves that was, you know, the subject of a Nobel Prize that came in 2017 to keep Thorn a physicist, they had this LIGO device that cost a billion dollars to create. And they were measuring these tiny, tiny fluctuations so they were able to measure gravitational waves. But what they did is because their, their instrument was so sensitive, they had to limit the range of its scope of view to only everything that's above 20 Hertz. Because there's too much noise at 20 Hertz and below. That's where all of our thoughts are. Well, and that's also where earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, right? Ocean waves. I'm just looking artificial things that are in that zone are machinery, airplanes, traffic. You know, I'm also thinking that if people are tuned into that, they would sense those things more than other people. That means that the sun, the sun is about, you know, less than one hertz and it's like one tenth of a hertz. And when it sends solar flares, that's the frequency of those solar flares. And you start looking at our thinking, our subconscious thought is zero to four hertz. So that's kind of Delta state, right? Then theta state is your, you know, at sleep state. And that's going to be kind of four up to seven close to eight hertz. And then at eight hertz to 12 hertz is where you're you're closing your eye in prayer or in meditation. And so that's kind of like the alpha brain state. And you talked about the cysteine chapel before we began. That's kind of how I perceive that picture on the ceiling of Adam and God where God is up there. And he's inside of what looks like a curtain, but it's actually a brain. It's exactly that picture you have on the wall, and God is inside of it, and His brain is in the prefrontal cortex.

And then His body is going sideways, and it's exactly mirroring the shape, and the way His leg is bent is mirroring exactly the way Adam's leg is bent. So, made in a mirror image, and then Sophia is a younger woman, God's older, and she's

going opposite direction, and the two of them are forming the shape of an X. And why is that? Because Michelangelo, I believe, knew that what they were referencing was the optic chiasm, which is the shape of an X. That's where the left brain connects to the right eye and the right eye and left eye connects to the right brain and the place that they cross over is the pituitary gland, which is the basis of the crown chakra. So this is where God evolves from, right? So there's the masculine and the feminine in the form of the X, the chi, the Christos. And then you've got Adam out reaching his hand and that's the observer for the whole thing to experience the entire thing. So to me, this is what really the story is behind the scenes and all of the ancient, you know, and especially in the time of the Renaissance, all of the polymast were all cryptographers because they couldn't, you know, I got the chance last two years ago when I got knighted. I was knighted at the Vatican in 24. I was knighted in 23 and 24 for different countries, but when I was there in 24 for when I got knighted for Portugal, I was in the Vatican and they let me come in and have a full tour of the Vatican library. Which is really epic. But most people don't know what the Vatican library would look like inside. It's not something you can find. What does it look like?

It looks like a brain. Literally, there's seven columns down the center of the room. And even the chair backs have the shape of an open book. So imagine kind of an open book. If a big lot of pages, you open it up and then it kind of looks like this and folds down, right? So that's the back of all the chairs, and that's the shape of the room.

You've got these columns that come up the center and then come down like this and folds down, right? And so that's the back of all the chairs, and that's the shape of the room.

You've got these columns that come up the center

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