So we're back with Tuesday of the excellent podcast, The Elephant Lounge.

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So you had an excellent point.

The number one point made about Michael Jackson is that he didn't have a childhood. So all these accusations of

pedophilia are wrong. It's just that Michael Jackson was eccentric and didn't have a childhood.

What's your response? He didn't have a childhood. Well, he had a never-ending childhood, or he tried to.

No, he did not have a positive or healthy childhood was,

because a healthy childhood would not include an amusement park, a movie theater,

candy at all hours of the night, no strict diet, no school.

There's nothing that you could consider that to be a normal, healthy childhood.

And the other problem with, you know, okay, he's sleeping in bed with these boys.

Look, I've said it before.

I will say it again.

I had many boy or male friends as a child growing up.

My best friend was male.

I would stay at his house all the time. not in his room, not in his bed.

I'd sleep out in the living room or whatever.

I was very, very close with the family, by the way.

And he would have his male friends stay at the night with him as well.

They did not sleep in bed together, but never happened.

They didn't cuddle, and they certainly didn't sit on each other's lap and say rubber,

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