Part Two: Lee Harris on Fear As Control, Light Warriors, And Why Humanity’s Rise Is Already Happening
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🗓️ 16 April 2026
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Summary
THIS EPISODE WILL CHANGE HOW YOU SEE REALITY
What if EVERYTHING you’ve been told about consciousness, reality, and even world events…is only a fraction of the truth?
Lee Harris — globally recognized spiritual teacher, intuitive, and best-selling author — is BACK in the studio, and this time he graciously introduces his mysterious guides “The Z’s”, a collective consciousness that may even originate from his own higher future self.
The Z’s claim humanity has been in a “quarantine” of limited consciousness, and we are NOW emerging from it.
Why? Because:
Humanity is more ready than ever to hear this message.
Consciousness is rapidly expanding.
And something BIG is unfolding on Earth right now…
In a LIVE channeling session, The Z’s reveal:
- Why THIS moment in history is urgent
- How multiple timelines may be converging on Earth
- Why war is NOT natural (& what’s actually driving global conflict)
- Shocking claim that WWIII has nearly happened multiple times already & why fear might be making it MORE likely
- Hidden forces influencing global systems
- Why labeling things “conspiracy theories” can keep people asleep
- Deeper meaning behind the Epstein saga surfacing now
- How COVID may have been a turning point in who we trust
- Why mainstream media thrives on fear, not love
- We may already be interacting with extraterrestrial intelligence
- Some of our current technology may NOT be fully human-made
- Earth itself could be part of a much larger galactic experiment
But this isn’t just about big ideas — it’s about YOU.
With Lee himself, we explore:
- How he first began channeling
- Do we all have guides tapping into a shared field of consciousness?
- Difference between spirit guides vs angels
- What it physically feels like to channel (& how Lee comes back to reality after)
- What it’s like living between the human world and the spirit realm
- How to tell the difference between intuition vs fear
- Why spirituality might NOT work for everyone
- True role of a channeler (and why he doesn’t rely on it for everything)
- How to stay grounded during “energetic chaos”
- Practical ways to grow, speak your truth, & resist division
The takeaway?
Even as systems feel like they’re collapsing…
Even as uncertainty rises…
There is HOPE.
Because:
Human consciousness is rising faster than ever.
Dark forces are more exposed than ever.
And the next 5 years could bring an unprecedented shift in who we are.
If you’ve ever questioned reality…
If you feel like something bigger is happening…
Or if you’re trying to stay balanced in a chaotic world…
You NEED to hear this.
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| 2:46.0 | the Earth's resources, and the possibility of World War III that so many of us want to know more about. In part two of our conversation, we're going to tackle the consciousness of humanity, why the system that seems to be crumbling overnight has to go slower than we might expect, and how the next five years will show us the rise of humanity, |
| 3:08.5 | including the emergence of us as light warriors. We also talk about how to develop your intuition, understanding what is guidance versus fear and how to navigate your life from a more intuitive place. We hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. Break it down. If the Epstein files are a smoke screen to distract us, what should we be focusing on? Well, we would say that is fairly clear. Meaning, and we understand we do not mean to be obtuse or play a game with you. You are in a period of history where you are beginning to see human rights eroded, taken away. That is the goal. That is the attempt and the intent. But, and this is very important, pay attention to the grassroots movements in the areas that have been most struck. The amount of people saying no, and the way they are figuring out how to say no. We have said for many years, this is a revolutionary time on earth, but it won't always look like old-style revolutions, because you are in a very different time in history, and energy is different, and technology is different. But you are at a time on earth where as we will call it internal control starts to crumble more and more, which it will over the coming years, you as people are going to have to fill in the gaps where your system leaves a gap. So for example, as certain systems become more destabilized, you, the people are going to have to figure out how to make it work for and buy in with yourselves. So we are not implying that whole parts of your infrastructure will disappear overnight. For that would not serve anyone. You have to remember that the goal is to keep you here, but not necessarily with the freedom that you are used to. Now, that's the goal that is playing out right now. That is not the spiritual truth of earth. That is the agenda of a dominating force who you are now in a reckoning with because they are more exposed than they have ever been. So this is where you have to zoom out a little. You as human beings who are programmed to follow |
| 5:25.6 | exactly what is playing out on Earth right now, you believe, oh, we are trapped because our powers that be might not have our best interests at heart and we don't know how to get out of it. And we say, no, you are souls who were born onto the Earth at this time to be part of the change of power system on earth that has always been corrupt, but now you |
| 5:49.3 | can see it. Now you can feel it. Now you have tools wherewithal and know how to tackle it. This is why your own personal empowerment is so important at these times. That is why we said to you Jonathan, you feeling sadness, even though that's not comfortable for you, it's not desired, it's good. Feel the sadness, feel the grief, feel the anger, feel the rage, feel the devastation. Those feelings won't last because you're will to live and you're will to build a new world will kick in. That is what you are all here doing. So yes, we are having a very sobering conversation perhaps about areas of the planet that are quite difficult to navigate right now. But what you also have to remember is the amount of angelic and energetic support that is now gathering around this planet. We have said this for many years. You are getting help and we will call it interference for some of those lower agendas all of the time. You just will never hear about that on your mainstream news. That is why this kind of programming conversation is very important. This is the resistance. And we don't like using that term because it pulls you back into a us-them paradigm. The truth is all of you are going to die at some point. That's inevitable. You will either die of old age or you will die earlier. So death is going to happen. You are often, uh, uh, uh, caught by your fear of death. Your fear of death is one of the ways they catch you. Well, you're all going to die. The question is, are you going to live? And how do you want to live? And do you want to live in a world that is more free for all? And this is very important. We now have to say this. The consciousness of humanity has developed to such a degree that no longer are you needing the old form of the system. You've outgrown it. So you think they're trying to enslave you because they are trying to quickly trap you all before you will get too powerful. No, it's already happened. It's already happened. That is why they are trying to clamp down now. You have already gone beyond human consciousness in recent decades and centuries. So there are more of you on the planet it who are more, we will call it tapped in. You may not yet have figured out how to bring it to the system of the world. But what we can tell you is this, because we understand the need for a hero or a savior. And we are not telling you a bedtime story when we say this, and we also don't want you to rely on the idea that someone's going to come in and scoop you up at the last minute and save you. But you are in the coming years going to see of more awareness of your galactic origins that Earth is a part of galactic, not just humanity, but galactic consciousness and a galactic tribe. And there are those who have already been on your planet for a very long time, who are going to come to the surface a little more. Part of the problem is, it is the old story that you believe in that keeps you in the story. More and more of you aren't believing the story anymore. And once you don't believe the story, your energy field can't be a vibrational match for it, which means you can't recreate the story. That's why so many right now are rushing to try and gain control. It's amazing, and I want to put some detail, a little flesh on the bone of what you were talking about as I understand it to see if I'm tracking right before moving into the empowerment, because it feels like that's where this conversation is going. But when you talk about clamping down control and that the systems are breaking down, it feels like we have to rebuild so that we can avoid control. For example, avoid everyone being monitored all the time. The new technological tools being used to control the movement of people, the not spying necessarily, but tracking every piece of information, the fact that our power is centralized and media is centralized. All the systems are becoming so centralized that they then have a monopoly and they can't be challenged in any way. So it feels like there needs to be new startups, the use of this technology in order to create and ensure safety, security, privacy, the ability to move, think, share ideas so that they can't be censored. Yes, 10 to 15 years ago, we gave a message multiple times because it needed to be given. That those of you who are saying we wish the system would fall down overnight and we could rebuild something else, we said, oh no, you do not want that at all. That is not the way to go here. That would be devastation in chaos. And we said, it will all play out over a much slower timeline so that you can make adjustments as you go. Yes, innovation is very important. It is why we have given Lee the pieces of information that he delivers every month in his energy updates on YouTube that there is a growing force of individuals that you may not even know about, who are already building the new world. They are already building what is going to be needed for humanity in the coming years. And it is not one way because it is going to vary from country to country and it is going to vary from region to region. The centralization is what you want to avoid, but we are not too fond of predictions because timelines can change, but we will tell you that globalization in the way it is desired is not going to synthesize or synchronize, because those egos of the individuals involved who think they can all team up to pull this off together. They are going to implode on each other, they are going to destroy each other. You are in the middle of watching that play out now. So the power hungry are having less places to hide. And the vibration of power hunger, it would be far better. We will say this even though we do not mean this is what's going to happen. It would be far better if you all just died if that was going to play out because none of you will want to be here on that earth. But that is why that is not what's going to play out. But at the moment what you are seeing is we will call it galactic greed. It is not as earthbound as you think, and we do not say that to scare any of you, or to challenge the notion that you are not living among humans for you are. But there is galactic infiltration that has been here for a very long time. We're very appreciative of all of the time and literally energy that you've been giving us. |
| 12:46.8 | Before we return to our conversation with Lee, I wonder if you can give us some sort of support for what personal growth and transformation needs to look like in this time. What are the practical things that we can take from this information. And while knowing we don't know all of the information that's going to be coming, what do we need to be doing to prepare? Beware of division. Division means when you are asked to point the finger at a group and see them as less than or see them as a group that needs annihilation or stopping. This has been manufactured by the way, the pumping of different agendas on Earth to get you to be angry at what this group want or this group need. It has been done deliberately by certain groups who know that getting you to fight each other is the fastest way to get you compliant and out of your collective power. So you will see division, it will happen, but choose not to engage with it. Choose to find those where you are aligned. Now we are not saying do not have constructive conversations for the other side of what we want to share with you. It is important to communicate your truth, not to hit other people over the head with it or that you need to be understood. But it is important that you can calmly communicate your truth as you feel it and as you see it and know it. Why? The person you say it to might not believe you. They might find what you're saying strange. But eight people later, it will lock in for them. Mayim spoke about conspiracy theories which many would have dismissed. And now many of you are realizing, ah, there was a lot of truth in that. Perhaps it was delivered in a way that was a little inflammatory at the time or it wasn't quite the right style of communication. I heard that the innererigis wasn't ready or more importantly I didn't have enough evidence to support this outlandish claim as true. We think you can all admit that now over the last six years you have seen many outlandish things that pre-2020 you would not have believed possible. So you know that the gloves are off. So communicate your truth, lovingly and peacefully not to convince others, not to bludgeon others over the head, but if you feel someone is missing something, or they may need to hear what you have to say, lovingly and peacefully communicate your truth, and if they reject or fight your truth, let that be good information to you. This is not the time for us to be perhaps aligned on this or even close to each other. And that's okay. This episode is sponsored by Wondering Jews, an open-door media brand. If you've ever found yourself feeling like you have more questions than answers, you're in good company. The Jewish people have been like that for thousands of years. Wondering Jews with Michal and Noam is a podcast where two of today's most dynamic Jewish voices, Michal Beton and Noam Weissmann, dig into the biggest questions about life through a Jewish lens. It's the kind of conversation where you'll laugh, learn something new, and probably shout and disagreeman at least once. Michal and Noam tackled the tough topics, like anti-Semitism in America, what happens after we die, and the future of religion, with guests like Brett Stevens, Michael Rappeport |
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| 18:06.2 | Make 2026 the year you finally start sleeping again. We understand that some of the trauma for some of you in recent years has been the heartbreak of the loss of friendships because of division. While you are all in heartbreak, you are not a unified group. So be mindful of division, be mindful of where you are told to target or hate another human being. That will be popular and it's a popular device. The other side is communicate. Communicate your truth when and if you need to, in a loving calm, stable way. Focus on what is important to you here as a soul. You all came here with a soul mission and you will feel driven and compelled to do that. It might be that you are a parent and you feel driven and compelled to be a parent right now. It might be that for example in your case, Mayam and Jonathan, you have conversations like this that are designed to open up people's world beyond the world they thought was possible. You need to see a world of possibility. Even this conversation, which perhaps some were looking forward to, and maybe didn't get the sparkly rainbows they were hoping for, instead they got a slightly sobering reality dose of what is playing out. Because it needed to be addressed, And this is the time where you're capable of it. Understand that light, love, and higher consciousness is playing out all of the time. All of the time. There are those on the planet every single day who are bringing love, compassion, harmony, and higher consciousness through their actions, through their ways of behaving, find those people and amplify with them. The other thing we will say to you is this, and we have to be careful with this next piece, but we do not want to put you in inertia. Try to stay balanced with the different, we will call it, energetic volcanoes you see going off around the world. There are energetic volcanoes going off around the world and for that we mean a political event that is distressing or something that comes out such as the files you were speaking about or equally war breaks out in a certain country. We are not saying be passive or look away or bypass any feelings you have around it, but try and be patient and understand that this is a time where those things are playing out, but something else is emerging too, which is the rise of empowered human consciousness. The best thing we can say to you is you have never seen what you are about to see in the next five years. And we're not speaking about the devastation that you are seeing right now in the world. We're talking about the rise of humanity. You have never seen the rise of humanity in your lifetime on earth the way you are about to see it in the next five years. And it will be glorious in many ways., you won't always want to see humanity having to rise against. But what you will see will be quite surprising to you. There are many on the planet now who are coming into what we can only call more metaphysical powers. This doesn't mean they are magicians who can send lightning out of their hands necessarily, but energetically they can. And they do. They do it with their words, with their actions, with their heart. They are not doing this alone. You are all conduits for higher vibrational energy. So as you start to tap into more of that in yourself, and you start to shed more of your own human trauma patterns, these stories that they are trying to recycle on earth to hook you back |
| 21:45.6 | in through fear, guilt, shame and lower vibrations have less magnetic power to you. So you stop being the old world that they can enslave, and you start being the new world that they have no power over. So we do not mean to sound too vague there or obtuse. It is hard to put into words. Some of what we know and feel is rising in humanity now, but you are going to see the rise of some incredibly brave, we will call them light warriors, more of them than you have ever seen, doing the extraordinary. But you are also going to have more, we will call it galactic contact. You are going to have more exposure to and interaction with things that would have, let's say, 40 years ago, seemed like science fiction to all of those who weren't experiencing those things. But now, your friends who told you that they had contact experiences in the 80s do not look quite so foolish to you and in fact they were some of the early experiences that are helping to normalize what is coming now. So there are many of you here, you two included, who are strong. Doesn't mean you won't have vulnerable days. Doesn't mean you won't have days where you are feeling a little flat, or not as strong as you normally are, but you are here for the leadership of this time. And there are many, many, many millions of you who are equipped for this time, who are built for this time, and that is why you are here. You are not here to go down a path of suffering, but you are at a junction point in humanity where some would like to try and take you in that direction. The reason they are being continually exposed is because it cannot hold. I feel very, very lucky to get to have this conversation and also to have Lee in our life, to guide us this way. One of the things that people talk about, which is going to happen possibly in these next five years, is that our interface with extraterrestrial beings is going to become more part of this reality. Is this something that you have information about? Yes, it is true, and you are already interfacing with extraterrestrial beings in many ways. Much of your technology was taken from there and in fact the technology you are given is far behind what is possible on Earth. So yes, there is going to be more disclosure. There are going to be those who shall we say cover their tracks by releasing certain files that they have been sitting on for decades and decades and decades and again. You you have to ask, why were we not shown this? Why are we not in a, or we would call it, equal relationship with our leadership? You are beginning to see the corruption of the leadership, and the corruption of the leadership is also being changed. There are going to be those others who will rise and give you more positive leadership. But back to your extraterrestrial question. This is not new to any of you. This is why so many of you have been so fascinated by whether it is television programs or media that has brought you to this. But what you have to watch out for is who is controlling the information. There will be attempts to tell you a story, much as you were told some stories in 2020, about what the nature of extraterrestrial contact is with Earth. And you will have to discern, is this true or is this untrue? That is going to be part of the game in the coming years. But what we can tell you is more people are awake since 2020 than ever before. And we don't mean awake in a spiritual meditation sense. We mean awake to what should I trust? And what should I ask more questions about before I say yes to it? So yes, there will be extraterrestrial disclosure increasingly, but what we will also say is the realm of the soul that many have believed is purely human is actually galactic. So it is not that you are meeting aliens as it were. It is more that you are remembering who you are and how you are connected to a vast universe. You are not a separate species in the way that you have been told you are. So that is possibly the best way we could frame it to you, but there is something else we want to add to you here, and it goes back to what we were speaking about before you asked that question, Mayan, because it's important. We understand that this conversation has been very focused on the shadow of your current world, but we want to reassure those of you who are feeling exhausted or deflated by everything going on on the planet right now. It does not help you to keep looking at that information, particularly from mainstream media when you are deflated. What will help you in those moments is knowing you need to step back, knowing that your nervous system is not benefiting from repetitive or obsessive looking at this information, and that is sovereignty. And that is what many of you were not taught. You were not taught how to regulate your nervous systems. You were just given all kinds of devices and entertainment that was designed to soothe your nervous system, aggravate your nervous system, inflame your nervous system, and you weren't given the why. So this is a time where more of you are having to understand the sovereignty of your own inner being. And that is why so many have turned inward in recent years and decades. That is why the path of the soul and the journey of going within is an important pastime at times like these. It is not that you just have to always be on the front line fighting as an activist. In fact, we would ask any of you who see yourselves as either spiritual or earth activists. Please take care of yourselves. We observe how many of you run yourselves ragged, and it's very important to know how to fill yourself back up, because this is a long game, not a short game. It's very important, the speed and the duration. Two final questions, one very personal, one very galactic. I have this sense that in some ways experiment may not be the right word, but that earth is an experiment and whether or not humanity can find a way to avoid division, to come together and find and build the new structures and systems that are inclusive, loving and connected, has a ripple effect beyond Earth. That what is learned here will travel outwards and impact other civilizations, other planets, or I don't even know what to call them. Is that accurate? Is there a sense that what happens here has a larger implication? And the second part of the question, unrelated, is, have my and my interacted in previous lifetimes, or is this the only incarnation? The answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the second question is, of of course, but you know that We have already given you that information through Lee last time we were with you in your presence Of course you to have interacted many times, but you have interacted in many different ways You are part of each other's sole group You have had lifetimes where you have been allies where you have been Partners or married you may call it you have also had lifetimes where you have been allies, where you have been partners or married, you may call it. You have also had lifetimes where you have been enemies. It's what makes your relationship rounded, but it also is why you create a coherent field between you for conversations like this. You are not both the same and Nora you're trying to be. You are coming towards the same realizations from very different points. Maim has more star energy, which simply means she is one who can emit. She is able to generate wattage. You, even though Maim of course has the scholarly backbone, which is what she is leaning into here, you, Jonathan, have the vibration of the energetic healer. So you are more subtle in your outward expression, but you are very tall in your soul. Stars have to, shall we say, consolidate all of their energy into their human body in order to emit and pulse out. Tall beings, such as yourself, Jonathan, are like tall trees. They stabilize for others, and it is its own skill, its own power. So between the two of you, you have both stability and outreach. That is why you are a good pair and cohesion and some of your own personal learning and healing together has been a big part of that. For Mayim, we hope you do not mind us saying this and we know you will snip it out if you don't like it. For Mayim, trust has been a big life theme. She has experienced many trust wounds and betrayals |
| 31:06.7 | in her life and she wants to trust. And so you have been a wonderful advocate for steadiness and consistency even when waves have occurred between the two of you. And for you Jonathan, being able to bring yourself onto the earth as a grounded force and make things happen. Myam has been a gift for you in that, for that is effortless for her in many ways. She is one who can make things happen and generate through her star energy the ability to bring things to the planet. So we are speaking personally about you too, but anyone listening or watching can apply this to their own relationships, not just romantic partnerships, but friendships or business partnerships. You tend to be attracted to those who can help you both heal, learn and grow, but also help you with your missions, whether it is the mission of healing a family lineage, or whether it is the mission of bringing work to the outside world. I think we should invite Lee back. Good. A pleasure to be with you both. We will say this to all who have listened and are still here and have not stopped the conversation. Please do not give up on your sense of hope or light for the future. We know this is not an easy time on earth. We know that. But you knew that too. You always knew this was going to be par for the course. What we can tell you is you are going to see continual breakthroughs in the coming years. Things will look dark for a a while and then all of a sudden things will shift. So try not to think the worst case scenario every time a new alarm bell raises for you. Remember, fear is how you get controlled. So be mindful of your own fear. Be mindful of being asked to separate from judge or divide from others on the planet. Even if there is a being on the planet whose life you do not understand, unless you can see that they are operating from a dark place, do not let yourself be talked into separating from them, even if you are not going to be their best friend. Separating you is how you get divided. But here is the good news as shown to all of you who have gone through recent terrible experiences on Earth. Humans are programmed to come together when the chips are down. So when humans need to rely on each other, it is instinctive and intrinsic that they do. You have been separated from each other in so many ways, but that is about to change. More and more of you are coming together. So the rise of consciousness first got all of you above your heads and has slowly been coming down through your body, through your third eye, through your throat, through your heart into your body. So you are now becoming what we would call embodied consciousness at a new level. You're all at different places. Some of you will be very in the psychic realms. Some of you will be very grounded in love in action. There is not better. So let go of hierarchy. And if you notice you are in hierarchy in yourself or towards others, we implore you to do that ego work that probably comes from your lineage to let go of the idea of superiority and inferiority, |
| 34:26.3 | it will only limit you from love. So, in peace, in love and in oneness to all. |
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| 36:09.7 | Hey. break or grab it before it's gone. Make 2026 the year you finally start sleeping again. How do you feel? Your whole head and your face if people are only listening to it, like there's this unbelievable presence of, like in your skin, you can see it. Valerie has been feeling nauseous the whole time. She's been messaging. Is that something that happens sometimes when information is channeled? She said she's had a persistent feeling of like feeling out of it, dizzy. Can I offer my thesis to this? When we are talking about the evolution and the awakening of human consciousness on Earth, it feels like what's happening externally is being mirrored, or all these mirrored systems. So each one of us is experiencing an awakening, seeing our dark side, seeing our movement towards connection, our hate, our love. And as we hear a message that opens up truth, that makes us have to face ourselves, that's a nauseating process. It feels uncomfortable because we're used to creating some sort of semblance of balance so that we can function in the world. And anytime we have to change, right? |
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