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Hello, and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff.

Your weekly reminder that when bad things are happening,

there are people trying to do good things.

And some of the people trying to do good things are historians, actually,

trying to show that the world can be different because the past is different than we think it is, because we've been told one way it was, and it's not always true. And one person who is doing that work is my guest today, Christopher Zeigman. Hi, how are you? I'm doing great, Margaret, how are you doing today? I'm really good. I'm like, maybe every time I read an amazing history book, I'll just reach out and be like,

hey, come on the show.

This is wonderful.

Because it's very nice to actually get to engage with these ideas.

And okay, this brings me in my first point.

You were talking last episode about how the academy's in trouble, right?

And the social sciences are in trouble.

And if you had told me this when I was a 20-year-old squatter who dropped out of art school,

I would have been like, yeah, whatever.

I don't care to hell with them all anyway, you know?

And if you tell me now, unfortunately, my sister actually was like, that's anti-intellectualism.

And I was like, who cares?

And then I started reading about what that meant.

And I was like, oh, bad stuff happens when you do that.

It's interesting because I'm kind of exaggerating 20-year-old me.

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