Hi, I'm Mayan Bialik. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation with Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She's a cognitive neuroscientist and a senior distinguished fellow in human potential at the center for the future mind at Florida Atlantic University. She's one of the professors who's been brought into consult and lead the charge on the telepathy tapes as it expands its universe. And she is an unbelievable explainer of everything from premonitions, pre-cognition, extra-sensory ability, intuition. We hope that you caught part one of our conversation with her. It's a great place to start for a foundational understanding about time, consciousness, and how precognitive abilities are actually there for any of us to tap into at any time and can really reveal a window into what's happening, not just in your own mind, but in the universe. And if you didn't, don't worry. Everything here stands on its own. We are going to dive into our understanding of time. How each one of us can increase our ability to have pre-cognitive visions, how we can use our dreams to help us see into the future. And if you don't remember your dreams, she gives you practical ways to start increasing your chances of understanding and remembering your dreams. She's also going to talk to us about the role that unconditional love plays in helping us have more access to more aspects of our consciousness. And she's going to talk in particular about time travel therapy and what it means to kind of expand your mind. You'll see a lot of overlap with a lot of beautiful episodes we've done with Thomas Campbell, with Michael Singer, with Bruce Lipton. So we really, really hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Julia Mossbridge. Break it down. There's many, many really fantastic examples in the book and also really detailed, you know, kind of analysis of what it means to think about dreams this way, to think about pre-cognitive events this way. Some of the issues that I wanted to bring up, which I'd love for you to speak to, is it there's something about when people indicate they've had a pre-cognitive dream that told them not to take a train the next day and they normally would take the train, but instead they walked. And this happened a lot around 9-11 as well. Yes. Of the people who were like, I knew not to go to work that day. How do we sort of reconcile? I'm gonna go ahead and say it. How does the God of our understanding, right? Hold all of this possibility in the world when one person says, my life was saved because of my pre-cognitive dream, but one other, I mean, a dog could die and I would feel like, oh my gosh, how dare I, right? You know, thousands of people can die and you have this one person like, well, I had a dream not to go to work. How do we wrap our heads around the universe that holds both of those experiences? That's such an important question and often I get people who are distraught because when I say I get I mean they contact me who are distraught because they either think that they have just learned from from our book that they should learn precognition to save their life and that they had it lost a child or something and they didn't know it and wasn't their fault that they didn't learn. And like, oh my gosh, there's so many things you can't control in this. And then the other side is people who have had a traumatic brain injury or were born this way where they have incredible precognition constantly and they want it to stop because they feel a responsibility. And so far, they haven't been able to change anything. So the person has an accident. It's not the exact same as they saw. It's a different accident. So there's sort of like inevitability thing. And I think the way that we have to recognize it is that it's not the God of our understanding. I mean, it's the God of a, we have to have a God of a different understanding. I mean, that God cannot share our understanding, because our understanding is this earthly human understanding. And if your God is kind of like you, except kind of bigger and more powerful, then, then, then like, it doesn't make any sense that, you know, all those people would die. Some of them probably had precognitions and we're like whatever I'm going to work. You know, it's not like they're better because they just forged ahead or they're worse because they didn't listen to their precognition or someone who didn't have a, I mean there's just no that kind of human personality, body-based scarcity thinking when we project it onto God fails. And so when people talk about the God of their understanding, I understand that from like my life in 12 step groups. It's like the idea is this God of your connection to this higher power, whatever it is, right? And I like that openness. But I really think it's not helpful if it's of your understanding, because that doesn't lift you up. It has to be bigger than your understanding and better than your understanding. So I think we sort of, that's the leap of faith is recognizing that there's lots of things we don't understand, and yet there's some kind of a plan and the plan and we're living on the wrong side of the quilt. You know, there's this intricate, beautiful quilt that if we were able to get to the other side, we could see, oh, that's why that person had to die. And that's why they said, that, that, that, that. And but we're living on the side with all the knots and all the things going weird places that don't make any sense. At some point, when we get to a self-transcendent place,

when we die or before we're born or when we're looking at things from this other point of view, we could see the other side of the quilt and we can say, I get it, I just didn't know the plan and the plan was way to complex for my little human brain. That's beautiful. Thank you. I think we can say that the plan is not simple. And I think we can say that we are not God. I mean, sort of I feel like those are the two for sure things. It's like a friend of mine said, there's the things I'm sure of. There is a God and it's not me. And I like that. Jonathan had a recurring dream that he often talks about. And he dreamt, I mean, I will let Jonathan tell it, and then I will give my cynical analysis as needed. Go ahead, Jonathan. Great, let's hear this. I had a recurring dream, three to five nights a week. So it's only my personal experience, and therefore it's an autoscientific study, and we could dismiss it outright. However, my personal experience was that for more than a year, I was in my last year of university, it was before my son was conceived, I know when he was conceived, and I was, I had this dream constantly about being in a very specific location on a road trip in the car we owned at the time. We pulled up next to our river underneath the tree and my then wife and I were in conflict. And it was like the feeling of it was very clear. And we pull up into this town and we say, let's rest here for a while and we get out of the car and we look around and the downtown has a very specific design to it. There's a river running through. There's the shade of the tree and we agree to rest here for a while. After my son is conceived, we move towns. I don't have that dream

again until eight years later. I don't remember it doesn't come back to me. Eight years later,

I find myself walking downtown in a town I've never been in before and my life has had

many unexpected twists and turns to find myself in that town, enormous mental conflict with my

son's mom about where we should live. I'm in Toronto at the time. They're, they've moved to this town and she and I are in conflict of whether or not she's going to stay there. I walk downtown and it hits me. The design of the town are river running through the downtown. There's the bridge like the shape of the downtown which has a courtyard and western style buildings that look like the Old West and all of a sudden that dream comes back to me and I'm struck with all the times I've had that dream. And what hits me is a level of divine perfection that we are in this town at this moment. And all the panic and terror that I feel about we shouldn't be here and why have you moved here and you can't be here and I'm in Toronto and he's here and I need access to my son, all of that quiet and settles for a moment. And within the next couple of days or I don't know how long maybe a week I get really clear that I'm leaving Toronto. I'm coming here. We're going to be living in this town. And for the next four years, we live in this town. We sort out our divorce. We sort out our

custody of our kid. And we do. We rest here for a while. We don't end up staying there, but we

rested there for a while. And it was a very, you know, profound experience that it felt like to me

that some version of me was leaking information from the future back to me in a time that my life was gonna get pretty wild and unexpected once we had my son and go into that adventure of having a kid together. Okay, let's hear the cynical take. I have a hope for take. No, I think there's a lot of beauty to it.

I think there's a lot of meaning to it,

and I would never hope to take. No, I think there's a lot of beauty to it. I think there's a lot of meaning to it and I would never take that away from anyone. However, you know, when I think about, when I think about, for example, deja vu and what we know from some of the really interesting studies of deja vu is that the literal mechanisms of mechanisms of Deja vu creates this scenario of complete embodiment, the the Gestalt, right? The the whole thing has been lived. It's been experienced. It's as true as if it happened. And so for me, I wonder if there are also components of these kinds of experiences that we have that a certain pathway, a certain groove, right, gets activated. And we're down that groove with all of the input, right, that exists around it. And in addition is, and for me, as a scientist, a really unidentifiable component of, I've been here before. This is exactly it. And if I'm being, I don't want to say cynical, but if I'm being clinical about it, right? There are many aspects of this. And you know, we've talked about the telepathy tapes till we're blue in the face because there's a certain component of what is that for Jonathan might need absolutely no explanation. I don't want to hear that kind of analysis. And for me, I'm kind of all about what is it? What is it with the capital I? So my interpretation is it's a mix of deja vu, pre-cognitive dream and the healing loop of time travel therapy.

I think that your moment, feeling that, oh my God, this is the knowing, that's the deja vu moment. I do believe that you had that experience as a recurrent dream, just because it was so strong to you that it was recurrent. If it was just one dream, I would be doubtful, but recurrent, it's different. And then that you had this healing, it actually calmed your anxiety, and you said, okay, well, I'm looking at the quilt

from the other side, and this is gonna be okay,

and I can actually rest here and follow the instructions in the dream. What a gift. So that's this healing time loop, which I think is a fascinating, it's a compendium of all that we've been talking about. So that's beautiful. I love that interpretation. And one of the things that was frustrating for me about the book was that I don't have any such interesting dreams. I have crazy dreams that I promise will never come true. Like there's not a future reality where any of these things are happening. There's a lot of like trauma and violence, a lot of cognition, separate from pre-cognition. I often will speak my non-native tongue in my sleep, which is like, that's a large computation for me. You know, I'm not super fluent in Spanish or Hebrew, but I will speak them in my... That's too much work for the brain. So I just don't have access to these kinds of things. So I'm very curious and I haven't tried, but I'm very curious to try some of the techniques. Like you have a six step set of like, it's an exercise that can start training this kind of component. And I wonder if you can speak a little bit to what is it to try and hone these abilities? Is it getting in touch with intuition? Is it more than that? Is it less than that? And if this is a skill set that I can try and acquire, it would also make sense that But there certain brains that are born and gift gifted with this ability so that when Jonathan says he like deeply knows something he feels it in his body and I'm like I'm only thinking about things all day every day. What is it? Like it doesn't drop. Like whatever that the shortest distance, the longest emotional distance, I don't travel it. It just, I, it's like, my neck is made to keep the feelings from coming, you know, to the thoughts. So can you talk a little bit about what this training is? Maybe that's why your shoulders are so tight. Well, okay, you say that. I'm just going to challenge your statement and work backwards. You say that, but you also host this podcast that like brings in spirituality and science and spirituality is all about experience and the knowingness and that what we can't think about but that ends up having a massive effect on who we are. And so I don't buy into it. I do believe I do see that you're very cognitively focused. Well, and even Jewish mysticism is very, very cognitive. Oh my God, you can't read any of that stuff. The Zohar is like insane. Right, the best cobalistic texts are translated by a physicist, are you a Kaplan? So it's very cognitive, yeah. Exactly. And, and, speaking of the Jewish, that's the other reason I don't buy it, is as in Jewish culture we have this soul piece That doesn't go away And that's the self-transcendent sort of there's something about that that has to do with love That has to do with this golden thread the self-transcendence I'm not saying only Jews have that but I'm saying like you have that too and that's why it draws you to this work So I'm just just not buying the I'm ahead on a stick argument, just not buying it. And then the other thing is but people who do have, so backing into your dream experience, people who do have like violent dreams or like thinking thinking dreams, I have thinking thinking dreams especially when I'm working on a paper or something because I'm in that mode, right? It really helps to just make yourself Right down your dreams every morning Notebook by the by the bed and if you don't have any dreams or you consider them not worth writing down First of all especially write down the ones that are not worth writing down because that's BS and and third right down I don't remember my dreams from last night yet and then right about some other things I've been feeling sadly that blah blah blah I wonder about today it seems super busy blah blah blah right down some other things and sometimes the dream will just pop in your head. Because now you're basically telling your brain,

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by putting everything down, everything down, everything down. And you're also teaching your brain this matters to you. My dream's mattered to me. And so it's going to be more interested in reporting them if it matters to you. But the other thing I want to say is you said, is it only intuition? Is it expanding intuition? intuition is a more or less than intuition.

And I think of intuition as an even bigger umbrella than pre-cognition.

Intuition includes expert intuition like someone who's really good at something. You're an expert in neuroscience. You have expert intuition around that. Same with me, right? Jonathan, I don't know what your work was before this, but I bet you have expert intuition in that. What was your work? Narrative story, media,

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