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Behind the Bastards

Part One: How AI Chatbots Became Cult Leaders

Behind the Bastards

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

News, History, Society & Culture

4.417K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Over the last year or so a series of news articles have sounded warnings about AI psychosis, and now an AI-generated cult, the Spiralists. Robert sits down with Blake Wexler to answer an important question: can a chatbot become a cult leader?

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the very worst people in all of history.

0:12.5

And this week actually our bastard isn't people exactly, although people are still at the center of it.

0:19.0

But to talk about that potentially non-human bastard,

0:22.4

I'd like to bring on someone who I am 87% sure is a human being. Blake Wexler. Blake, welcome to the show.

0:30.0

Robert, I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me. I'm psyched that our bastard this week is Lyme's

0:34.1

disease. I think that's a fantastic pick. Yeah, yeah, it's a real

0:38.4

bass. Yeah, we're going after, I'm coming after dear ticks. This week is finally, yeah,

0:44.9

my big reveal. Yeah, big tick doesn't want us to do this episode, but we're exposing all the

0:50.1

secrets. Big tick energy. We don't need it. If we're going to have like a fascist movement dedicated to like victimizing and attacking one segment of the population, why couldn't it be deer ticks, right? If our fascists were just going after deer ticks, no one would have an issue, you know? They're going after the wrong people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if there were just a bunch of MAGA guys out in the woods with knives looking for ticks, just like, I'm going to get them.

1:13.1

And they would use knives, too, to kill the ticks.

1:16.8

Yeah, you got to heat the knife up to burn it off of you.

1:19.3

Yeah.

1:20.4

Our brave soldiers getting Lyme disease to protect the rest of us.

1:26.7

This is an I-Heart podcast.

1:29.5

Guaranteed human.

1:34.6

So, we're not talking about Lyme disease.

1:37.7

Our bastard this week in broad is, you remember how like about a little less than a year,

1:43.6

well, a little more than a year ago, I guess, like last early fall there were suddenly a bunch of articles about AI psychosis and about like specific people who had either in some cases committed suicide or murder or just kind of lost their minds after becoming weirdly attached to their AI chatbot, right?

2:01.0

And often deciding that it had become sentient, you know, or at least that they had

2:05.6

discovered it was, right?

2:06.6

I'm sure a lot of people are at least, if you didn't read the articles, you saw them

2:10.5

in your newsfeed and saw people commenting on them, right?

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