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Behind the Bastards

Part One: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Behind the Bastards

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News, Society & Culture, History

4.415.7K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Robert walks Langston Kerman through the story of Dr. George Church, a very real scientist who co founded the company making bullshit claims of "de extincting" dire wolves.

(2 Part Series)


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0:00.0

Oh wow, Sophie. I don't know. I don't know if we can put that on the air. I mean, that's

0:09.0

actionable threats against a sitting... Wow. I mean, just, Sophie, it's just dangerous to be

0:16.0

saying stuff like that in this day and age. I know. Let's distract the audience and the federal agents listening in by bringing on our guest today

0:25.7

who definitely doesn't say stuff like that.

0:28.9

Langston Kerman.

0:29.8

Langston,

0:30.6

do you condemn Sophie's statements assuming they ever get out in unedited form?

0:35.2

I was tempted to hang up the Zoom right away.

0:39.1

I understand.

0:39.7

It was so inflammatory that I said, I can't be a part of this.

0:43.8

No.

0:44.3

No, it's time to bring peace to the country, you know?

0:47.2

That's what we all need to be focusing on.

0:49.3

100%.

0:50.5

We got to get back to what we were, which was normal and peaceful.

0:54.1

Which was normal and good.

0:55.3

Everyone knows things used to be good in this country for everybody, right?

0:59.0

We were chilling for a long time.

1:01.7

Yeah, things were so great.

1:04.3

And I think what will get us back to that is talking about puppies, right?

1:08.3

Everybody loves a good puppy, right?

1:10.0

I like puppies.

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