Part One: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
Behind the Bastards
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🗓️ 3 June 2025
⏱️ 89 minutes
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Summary
Robert walks Langston Kerman through the story of Dr. George Church, a very real scientist who co founded the company making bullshit claims of "de extincting" dire wolves.
(2 Part Series)
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| 0:00.0 | Oh wow, Sophie. I don't know. I don't know if we can put that on the air. I mean, that's |
| 0:09.0 | actionable threats against a sitting... Wow. I mean, just, Sophie, it's just dangerous to be |
| 0:16.0 | saying stuff like that in this day and age. I know. Let's distract the audience and the federal agents listening in by bringing on our guest today |
| 0:25.7 | who definitely doesn't say stuff like that. |
| 0:28.9 | Langston Kerman. |
| 0:29.8 | Langston, |
| 0:30.6 | do you condemn Sophie's statements assuming they ever get out in unedited form? |
| 0:35.2 | I was tempted to hang up the Zoom right away. |
| 0:39.1 | I understand. |
| 0:39.7 | It was so inflammatory that I said, I can't be a part of this. |
| 0:43.8 | No. |
| 0:44.3 | No, it's time to bring peace to the country, you know? |
| 0:47.2 | That's what we all need to be focusing on. |
| 0:49.3 | 100%. |
| 0:50.5 | We got to get back to what we were, which was normal and peaceful. |
| 0:54.1 | Which was normal and good. |
| 0:55.3 | Everyone knows things used to be good in this country for everybody, right? |
| 0:59.0 | We were chilling for a long time. |
| 1:01.7 | Yeah, things were so great. |
| 1:04.3 | And I think what will get us back to that is talking about puppies, right? |
| 1:08.3 | Everybody loves a good puppy, right? |
| 1:10.0 | I like puppies. |
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