Part 2 - Trump Allies vs The Epstein Document Dump
The Trawl
Jemma Forte & Marina Purkiss
4.7 • 867 Ratings
🗓️ 20 November 2025
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
This is Part 2 of an Epstein emails Trawl deep dive. Once again, Marina and Jemma dive into the online storm surrounding newly unsealed Epstein-related documents and the political reactions that have set social media ablaze. From Megyn Kelly’s widely-shared comments to the way his most cultish followers are handling it, the Trawl ladies explore how the discourse spiralled, who said what, and why the internet collectively has lost its mind.
Jemma and Marina also look at the New York Times’ much-mocked headline, examine how different factions are spinning the story, and discuss what these reactions reveal about broader culture-war dynamics.
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| 0:00.0 | 2011 was, let me do math here, 14 years. |
| 0:03.1 | The email is old enough to be a victim. |
| 0:18.2 | Hello and welcome to the troll, the podcast where we make things up as we go along. |
| 0:23.2 | Yes, this is a part two of an episode that we started yesterday. |
| 0:27.9 | I'm Gemma Forte. |
| 0:29.5 | And I'm Marina Perkins, and this is, we've never done this before, have we? |
| 0:32.4 | Never. |
| 0:32.8 | We are going completely off east here. |
| 0:35.7 | We're going rogue. |
| 0:36.2 | Wild. |
| 0:36.9 | Someone once said to us, a very dear friend who is very successful in the podcast biz, don't go more than 40 minutes. And that last episode yesterday's, we were like, oh, we're running long. We've got so much more we want to say. What do we do? Because we've still got Friday's episode that is already set out. So we're splitting it into two. So this is part two. |
| 0:58.4 | So we're going to continue talking about some of the fallout from all of the Epstein saga. |
| 1:00.0 | We're going to have to talk. |
| 1:09.4 | Now we've got a bit of space about Trump's hosting of the Saudi Prince and his comments on the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. |
| 1:13.7 | But first, the temperature has dropped in blighty. |
| 1:16.8 | It was snowing outside my window. |
| 1:19.0 | I had amazing, I had snow rain. |
| 1:20.0 | Snow rain. |
| 1:21.8 | It managed to do both at the same time. |
| 1:23.8 | I was kind of looking at the sky and thinking, |
| 1:25.7 | you are a multitasking legend. |
| 1:31.8 | And if you're in the workplace like I am, every Zoom call, someone's talking about, |
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