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Jay'sAnalysis

Part 1 - Original Sin? Catholic, Orthodox & Protestant Views Compared

Jay'sAnalysis

Jay Dyer

Arts, Education, Comedy, Performing Arts

4.6823 Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2022

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

This chat arose from a twitter spat with P. Prime over whether Orthodoxy accepts inherited guilt. As a result, we had a 3 hour chat with many others covering the topic of how the effects of Adam's sin are distinct from the guilt of his sin.

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0:00.0

I suspect that what has happened is that some of the people who were involved in that

0:05.5

controversy at that time three months ago causing all this confusion were are involved

0:12.0

in befriending and swaying, texting, prime and it looks like they're all sort of in the same gaggle of quote,

0:24.0

Western right gang, which is all silly, right?

0:27.1

I mean, obviously we don't have gangs.

0:29.1

There's no Western right gang in the church.

0:31.8

I don't have any problem with the Western right.

0:33.8

The problem is that a lot of people who get into Orthodox theology and maybe go from, say,

0:39.7

the Latin Mass or Calvinism or something like that to the Western right, they oftentimes aren't

0:51.7

catechized very well into Orthodox theology, and people will just sort of default to thinking that, oh, well, we all have the same theology when it comes to, you know, Augustine, original sin, et cetera, et cetera, and that's just simply not the case.

1:06.9

And that's something I've noticed for many, many years, that people to go into the Western right directly from whatever they came from,

1:15.4

Calvinism, Anglicanism.

1:19.0

They oftentimes don't get a really good grounding in the Energy's doctrine,

1:24.3

and they don't understand that there are multiple problems with Augustinian theology beyond just divine simplicity.

1:31.3

There's problems in Augustine's Christology that we don't end up accepting.

1:35.3

There's problems in his original sin doctrine, which is why we don't believe in the Immaculate Conception and the Roman Catholic views of Mary.

1:43.3

It's because we don't have the Augustinian doctrine of original sin.

1:48.0

So this is not the only issue that we've had with Prime.

1:52.0

Prime has been basically about every six months to a year.

1:57.0

There's a problem where he says something goofy or silly.

2:00.0

And that's fine. I know he's a young guy.

2:01.8

We've overlooked that for four years.

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