Hey, typology tribe Ian Morgan-Kron here welcome again to the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality through the lens of the

Inegra. I actually have memorized. I know isn't that great? Right. Yeah. It runs through my mind at night and my dreams. Really? Yeah. Okay. Well as a therapist I can tell you the medications that can help alleviate that. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

I have a question for you. Late on me. All right. When was the last time you read a novel? Ooh, a novel's been a while. Okay. What do you read?

I guess a month ago I read The Great Divorce Stephen King on writing but more it's been on leadership and therapy like breathing under water and body keeps the score that kind of thing. Oh wow. Okay.

The trauma. Yes. Which I would recommend. Yeah. That's a great one. Yeah. All right. So I love novels. Yes. I'm a novel guy and and like you I got to read some nonfiction. You know for work and psychology and stuff like that. But one of the things I tell like when I'm working with corporate leaders and stuff like that or just leaders in general. I often tell them they need to start reading novels. If they really want to understand people they got to start reading novels. And in an indirect way you learn more about the interior worlds of people from novels. Then Bob

about anywhere else. Right. Anyhow. I've been reading this novel. It's called Skippy dies by Paul Murray. Have you heard of that book? No. All right. It's got this great line in it. Okay. Yeah. All right. So Murray says, you know, he's having this like existential crisis. And he says, you know, my life just hasn't turned out the way I expected it. Right. And his friend says to him.

Well, what what what did you think it was going to be like? And he says something effective. Well, it may sound stupid. But I suppose I thought it would have more of a narrative arc.

It's subtle. But I thought it was as a forum. The end of the game. I thought that was incredibly funny. Yes. Incredibly funny. And but of course it makes. Oh, yeah. But it makes complete sense. Yeah. Because everybody expects their life to have a narrative arc. Yeah. And everybody sees their life through the lens of the story.

And it's a life through the lens of a narrative arc, which by the way is why I am thrilled to have the guru of story. Yes. On our show today. Literally the guru of story. Donald Miller, my friend, Don Miller. And you know, it's a big thrill to have him in the studio today. And but before we get to him, we just need people to know what about typology.

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Thank you for that. Yeah. That shaming correct. Um, let's get to my friend, Don Miller, who is in the studio. Let me just tell everybody a little bit about Don, if they don't know, that's because they apparently have been living in some kind of a cocoon for the last 20 years.

Literally, he's one of the world leaders on the subject of story. He's a three time New York Times or two time New York Times, one time Wall Street Journal best seller books like Blue Light Jazz, uh, scary clothes, a million miles and a thousand years. Um, I mean, your list of, you know, credits and accomplishments, uh, uh, uh, is very, very impressive.

You cohosts the wonderful podcast, building a story brand and he, you've just released a new book, the, the five minute marketing makeover. Yeah, it's actually a video series that teaches small businesses how to do better marketing.

And it's free. It's five minute marketing makeover.com. Wow. I like free. Yes. I'm all over free.

All right. So everybody, you need to check that out and, um, you, you live here in Nashville, which is a great thing for my wife, Annie and I with your wife Betsy and your chocolate lab Lucy. And you got another dog.

Since I, we actually got a dog from onsite workshops. Really. There's a dog out there named lady. Get this true story. Uh, a dog out there sadly was, was killed, uh, you know, hit by car. And the whole team, that beautiful, wonderful team out there was just grieving.

They went up on the hill to bury the dog had a giant funeral, 50 people standing around and a stray walks up to the funeral. They've never seen this dog before. No collar. And they said, uh, you know, the team went to miles at Cox, who's been a guest on your show, one of my best friends and said, you know, this is a sign from God. We have to adopt this dog.

And Miles said, we can't know, we can't have another dog. The entire team protested miles literally picket signs as he pulled into work the next day. Things like, don't be a jerk. Keep the bitch. Things like that.

No way. And he's the bitch. And he's like, he's like, we got to do it. So, you know, after the dog, you know, Miles, you know, takes the dog down to the vet has him checked out. And the vet says this dog is pregnant.

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