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PARK FIRE SPREADING: 4/4: A Future in Flames –by Danielle Clode (Author)

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🗓️ 11 August 2024

⏱️ 5 minutes

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PARK FIRE SPREADING: 4/4: A Future in Flames –by Danielle Clode (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Future-Flames-Danielle-Clode/dp/0648140776


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/08/us/park-fire-california.html

Fire has shaped the Australian landscape and the lives of Australians for thousands of years—and will continue to do so as the climate changes. For all our advances in prevention and prediction, planning and communication, bushfires keep claiming our lives and our homes. How can we avoid another Ash Wednesday or Black Saturday?Danielle Clode has lived in the bushfire danger zone and studied the past and recent history of fire management and fire-fighting. Here she tells the complex story of Australia’s relationship with fire, from indigenous practices to country fire brigades and royal commissions—as well as her own story of living with the threat of fire. A Future in Flames is a vivid history, a sombre reflection and an invaluable guide for living and dealing with fire.

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0:00.0

I'm John Batsch with Daniel Clow, the author of the new book on Kowalas, highly recommend.

0:10.0

And we're not speaking of the tragedy in Kala's Daniel has taught me that koas have

0:15.1

known hospital system.

0:16.9

They're extremely vulnerable to fires because they cling to their eucalyptus trees and that

0:22.4

is extremely dangerous but that is nature.

0:25.6

Quals have been there tens of millions of years so they're survivors.

0:30.2

People, a couple hundred years, we'll see. Daniel, we come to El Nino. It's upon you. Your Metropolitan

0:37.6

your Metropolitan Weather Bureau waited a long time to declare it, but it has now declared. What that means is hot and

0:45.1

dry and I've been following your weather throughout Australia you've had a lot of

0:49.9

heat and a lot of dry air early.

0:55.8

Does this look to be a dangerous fire season or just ordinary?

1:01.7

The fire season, I regard all fire seasons as dangerous. You never know when one's going to hit. We had a fire two

1:06.1

years ago that went through our neighborhood and burnt right along the edge of my

1:10.6

properties and that was not a bad season and it was not a high risk day.

1:15.0

Unfortunately that was an arsonist who did a very good job of setting fire to the park below my house.

1:21.0

So these things can happen at any time under the strangest

1:25.8

conditions. However, you know, the dry conditions and the hot summers

1:31.6

combined with a high fuel load from previous wet years does make for dangerous conditions in many areas.

1:38.0

And we know that with climate change, the incidents and frequency and severity of fires is increasing rapidly.

1:45.0

So we are now seeing far more fires than we have in the past and that just increases everybody's risk.

1:52.0

So yes, we are looking at a scenario of increased fire risk for across most of the country.

2:01.0

And the fires, the question here in the the of loss of life. And the question in Hawaii recently with the Maui Fire, do you build

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